[Review] Audio Technica Ckr-9: Experiencing Sound Reality
Nov 14, 2014 at 12:30 AM Post #106 of 163
Wait wait wait, vwinter did say they are most best in accuracy, guess it's the last of detailing from 5khz that may be the problem to you guys as well. Maybe the 4khz peak is something bothering you as well.

Then again, you said they're crisp as heck, so maybe not?

Such a polarizing opinion, just like the sonys threads.

But you know the difference?

I'm not schitting around on your guys comments and vice versa!
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I talked to VWinter about it and he seems to hear them much the same way as I do. Spike at 4 khz, but he noted a huge dip at 5 khz. Something like a 10 db drop or so. I don't have my pair anymore but that probably explains why I found the upper midrange to be bothersome coming from other phones

 
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  Stupid phone had misconstrued my original message.
 
Vwinter did not find them best in accuracy because of the 5khz dip and the 4khz peak.
 
The difference between your hearing and his is he somehow managed to enjoy listening to them without having a major problem with the 4khz peak.
 

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Engrish please???
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These CKR9s are mightly damn fine now with my cheapo clip+/AP001 EQed combo, might be even tempted to pick a set up for like $100-$125. Housing is big so there is some slight soreness after an hour of use. Welp at least i can listen to them for more than a hour and not get ringing after like 15mins unlike with my X5/C5s.
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These creams the Fostex TE-05 by quite a bit on all fronts.
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Nov 14, 2014 at 12:37 AM Post #107 of 163
Nah. No issues with attaining a seal on my end. I'd probably have enjoyed them more with some EQ but I already had too many phones at that point and I listen to a lot of poorly mastered rock, so they just weren't all that great for that sorta thing. I've got a Z5 coming in soon. Not expecting to like those but we'll see. And Sony's prospects have been dim for quite some time now. They're a pretty poorly managed corporation

Whew, then I can be rest assured that we are only hearing differently. Terribly sorry your hearing fails to reflect my own. 
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I hope the z5 does a little better in their price point, but I seriously wonder how that would happen if the rockets have been regarded as the king of mids (from what I've read). 
 
I truly cheer sony on for giving users the best materials and light design in their headphone and earphone at least...all they need is to refine their house sound and then everyone will definitely enjoy their products better. Though modern sony definitely becomes defined by your final sentence.
 
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Engrish please???
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These CKR9s are mightly damn fine now with my cheapo clip+/AP001 EQed combo, might be even tempted to pick a set up for like $100-$125. Housing is big so there is some slight soreness after an hour of use. Welp at least i can listen to them for more than a hour and not get ringing after like 15mins unlike with my X5/C5s.
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These creams the Fostex TE-05 by quite a bit on all fronts.
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Oh right!
 
Instrument rendition is not entirely accurate according to some headfiers. I find that they sound natural, but there are people saying they lack detailing in a certain frequency that makes the timbre sound off. I found this to be true with the sony xba-h3s, but not the audio technicas. Very weird too.
 
 
I hope you can find a set that cheap...Maybe when Audio technica finally stabilizes their price point in the near future. I agree, I found that after three hours or so that my ears start feeling sore with the ckr9s on. The ckr9ltds are even bigger, smart move isn't it?
 
It's truly disappointing that you cannot have that nice smooth quality of the midrange to treble region without flinching at certain upper mid "sibilance"
 
Dual driver push-pull ftw!
 
Nov 14, 2014 at 1:08 AM Post #108 of 163
  Whew, then I can be rest assured that we are only hearing differently. Terribly sorry your hearing fails to reflect my own. 
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I hope the z5 does a little better in their price point, but I seriously wonder how that would happen if the rockets have been regarded as the king of mids (from what I've read). 
 
I truly cheer sony on for giving users the best materials and light design in their headphone and earphone at least...all they need is to refine their house sound and then everyone will definitely enjoy their products better. Though modern sony definitely becomes defined by your final sentence.
 
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Oh right!
 
Instrument rendition is not entirely accurate according to some headfiers. I find that they sound natural, but there are people saying they lack detailing in a certain frequency that makes the timbre sound off. I found this to be true with the sony xba-h3s, but not the audio technicas. Very weird too.
 
 
I hope you can find a set that cheap...Maybe when Audio technica finally stabilizes their price point in the near future. I agree, I found that after three hours or so that my ears start feeling sore with the ckr9s on. The ckr9ltds are even bigger, smart move isn't it?
 
It's truly disappointing that you cannot have that nice smooth quality of the midrange to treble region without flinching at certain upper mid "sibilance"
 
Dual driver push-pull ftw!


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Ok wearing these over the ears is a no go for me fo' sho. Housing is too bulky and not comfy that way. Straight down is good but gets sore after an hour as stated before.
 
There is some peaks that are fatiguing in the sound of these without a doubt and it seems ATH is still a bit treble/ upper mids happy as with their older tuning/ models. They have improved quite a bit but still loves to add extra emphasis in the higher registers for more excitement which gives you that initial WOW factor but bad for ya' in the long run if you knowhatimeng.
 
Nov 14, 2014 at 1:57 AM Post #109 of 163
 
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Ok wearing these over the ears is a no go for me fo' sho. Housing is too bulky and not comfy that way. Straight down is good but gets sore after an hour as stated before.
 
There is some peaks that are fatiguing in the sound of these without a doubt and it seems ATH is still a bit treble/ upper mids happy as with their older tuning/ models. They have improved quite a bit but still loves to add extra emphasis in the higher registers for more excitement which gives you that initial WOW factor but bad for ya' in the long run if you knowhatimeng.

Yup, I can totally see how the ckr9s would be finnicky with over ear, or even worse than straight down.
 
I agree, the upper mids is the only thing I find annoying with this product. Not as annoying as their previous iterations, but slightly intrusive at times. Mostly sounds great with me though, and the treble has finally shifted away from the audio technica house sound. They just need to lower the upper mid frequency by 1 db or 2 and it'll be great!
 
Nov 14, 2014 at 5:47 PM Post #110 of 163
Time for my experience with the CKR9. Vlenbo was kind enough to allow me to hear them for a week or so. Thank you sir!
 
Quite hesitant to get a CKR9 myself. Thought they would be popular and I said early enough that I thought the CKR9 would probably be the most popular of the whole line up. I think not wanting to try a pair myself was first gen jitters. I really hesitate with first gen products these days. Quite a few in the past and now I can resist pulling the trigger easier than before:) The CKR9 is a product I think has a few first gen bugs to be worked on. Nothing horrible but worth noting.
 
I do wish they put more thought and effort into the design. I have already mentioned these things to a few people. A chin slider would have been nice and maybe a little effort on the Y joint. Fine for similar Y joints on cheap products because they are just that, cheap. Would like better on the CKR9. The plug and top of the housing are capped in a glossy plastic which is exactly the same as that on my CHX7. At 3X the price it could have been a better material. Cable is good but still not the most tangle resistant. Can't complain about it outside of the Y, slider, and plug capping. Not sure why they didn't stick with a more traditional design than placing the tube where they did. For me, it made getting the optimal sound hard. Tip rolling is not about tweaking or experimenting so much as trying to avoid issues. Medium tips become just a bit too small for me with the CKR9. Problems like losing seal in my left ear or not getting a good enough seal if the tips are short etc. Then larger tips gave driver flex in the right and maybe a seal where the CKR9 slowed and became a bit overly thick. Very few tips worked for optimal sound and fit. Sort of a M/L thing in between medium and large is needed unless the medium tips were long enough or the small a bit narrower. The CKR9 were fiddly and difficult for me and probably didn't have to be.
 
 As for sound reality, when I got them to sound right, they do a good job. For ultimate sound reality I would like them to have more extension on the ends, more transparency, and be truer to source. Can't complain for their price level though. Not the most true to source so synergy applies more than performing equally well across devices. The CKR9 sounds better on my Iriver E300 on the Power Drum EQ than it does with the FiiO X1 or X1/E11K rig.
 
I do appreciate the approach as AT did a good job in many aspects. Stage is well done for being fairly even in all three dimensions. Layering and imaging/positioning is also good. Bass, mid, treble cohesiveness is also very good. Good clarity, decay, and timbre throughout only let down by some transparency problems in the upper mids and upper treble(didn't sweep or anything to get specific). There is a good amount of detail and resolution and they perform well in being natural and "real" sounding.  
 
Sound signature-wise, I really liked them but didn't love them. I think a bit of the new AT house "fun" sound is gone. Not exactly a better version of things like a CKS1000 or CKN70 signature. Phones like those have a certain "hook" which is less so with the CKR9. Have to admit I enjoy the bass and mids on the FX32 better than the CKR9. The CKR9 is best with the best synergy and the most perfect sound it can bring. When not optimal there just doesn't seem to be as much "fun" to fall back on and be more forgiving about. I can forgive the FX32 not having the extension or quality of the CKR9 or the reference Tenore because of the bass and mids quality and enjoyability. Thus I sold the Tenore in favor of the little JVC and even enjoyed the JVC more than the CKR9 before they left me.
 
The CKR9 came out here in the U.S. with a street price as low as $190 and I think that you get enough sound for that price. Still, for me to purchase a pair, I would like a better/more elaborate fit kit, a design that worked better for me, and a bit of quality improvement on some of the cable and plug accents. Some things to shoot for on a possible CKR90?? Certainly gonna keep an eye on the next incarnation!
 
Nov 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM Post #111 of 163
  Time for my experience with the CKR9. Vlenbo was kind enough to allow me to hear them for a week or so. Thank you sir!
 
Quite hesitant to get a CKR9 myself. Thought they would be popular and I said early enough that I thought the CKR9 would probably be the most popular of the whole line up. I think not wanting to try a pair myself was first gen jitters. I really hesitate with first gen products these days. Quite a few in the past and now I can resist pulling the trigger easier than before:) The CKR9 is a product I think has a few first gen bugs to be worked on. Nothing horrible but worth noting.
 
I do wish they put more thought and effort into the design. I have already mentioned these things to a few people. A chin slider would have been nice and maybe a little effort on the Y joint. Fine for similar Y joints on cheap products because they are just that, cheap. Would like better on the CKR9. The plug and top of the housing are capped in a glossy plastic which is exactly the same as that on my CHX7. At 3X the price it could have been a better material. Cable is good but still not the most tangle resistant. Can't complain about it outside of the Y, slider, and plug capping. Not sure why they didn't stick with a more traditional design than placing the tube where they did. For me, it made getting the optimal sound hard. Tip rolling is not about tweaking or experimenting so much as trying to avoid issues. Medium tips become just a bit too small for me with the CKR9. Problems like losing seal in my left ear or not getting a good enough seal if the tips are short etc. Then larger tips gave driver flex in the right and maybe a seal where the CKR9 slowed and became a bit overly thick. Very few tips worked for optimal sound and fit. Sort of a M/L thing in between medium and large is needed unless the medium tips were long enough or the small a bit narrower. The CKR9 were fiddly and difficult for me and probably didn't have to be.
 
 As for sound reality, when I got them to sound right, they do a good job. For ultimate sound reality I would like them to have more extension on the ends, more transparency, and be truer to source. Can't complain for their price level though. Not the most true to source so synergy applies more than performing equally well across devices. The CKR9 sounds better on my Iriver E300 on the Power Drum EQ than it does with the FiiO X1 or X1/E11K rig.
 
I do appreciate the approach as AT did a good job in many aspects. Stage is well done for being fairly even in all three dimensions. Layering and imaging/positioning is also good. Bass, mid, treble cohesiveness is also very good. Good clarity, decay, and timbre throughout only let down by some transparency problems in the upper mids and upper treble(didn't sweep or anything to get specific). There is a good amount of detail and resolution and they perform well in being natural and "real" sounding.  
 
Sound signature-wise, I really liked them but didn't love them. I think a bit of the new AT house "fun" sound is gone. Not exactly a better version of things like a CKS1000 or CKN70 signature. Phones like those have a certain "hook" which is less so with the CKR9. Have to admit I enjoy the bass and mids on the FX32 better than the CKR9. The CKR9 is best with the best synergy and the most perfect sound it can bring. When not optimal there just doesn't seem to be as much "fun" to fall back on and be more forgiving about. I can forgive the FX32 not having the extension or quality of the CKR9 or the reference Tenore because of the bass and mids quality and enjoyability. Thus I sold the Tenore in favor of the little JVC and even enjoyed the JVC more than the CKR9 before they left me.
 
The CKR9 came out here in the U.S. with a street price as low as $190 and I think that you get enough sound for that price. Still, for me to purchase a pair, I would like a better/more elaborate fit kit, a design that worked better for me, and a bit of quality improvement on some of the cable and plug accents. Some things to shoot for on a possible CKR90?? Certainly gonna keep an eye on the next incarnation!

The ckn70 was terrible, just to note that I hated the ckn70s.
 
They were going for $100 at the time and they deserved to be priced at $50 for what it offered. The most painful expereinice in the upper midrange and the terrible terrible treble.
 
But I agree with you on everything else. Shoddy quality for a $190 earphone. I had told them to lower the price to $150 with someone's help, but who knows if they even read it?
 
I had done some sine sweeps and the treble extension could be better, but the bass is good at 25hz. So I don't think I want more quantity or extension on the subbass imo.
 
Thank you for providing your honest impressions about the ckr9s jant! It's unfortunate that this in-ear wasn't your favorite, but I hope audio technica revises its housing to be a bit better for everyone. It fits perfectly for me, so I probably dont' experience the same problems some members did (including yourself and probably sf).
 
Nov 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM Post #112 of 163
vlenbo, cheers for sending your ckr9's around. I've been appreciating everyone's impressions, and your responses. Kudos!
 
Nov 14, 2014 at 11:41 PM Post #113 of 163
  The ckn70 was terrible, just to note that I hated the ckn70s.
 
They were going for $100 at the time and they deserved to be priced at $50 for what it offered. The most painful expereinice in the upper midrange and the terrible terrible treble.

 
The CKR9 does feel like a cut-price special in the sense that the non-SQ aspects can feel cheap & a little unsophisticated. My jaw dropped a little when I saw the cable and the plug. Couldn't they at least have given it the CK323M's cord?
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For this most recent purchase, my objective was an open-air sound in an IEM,as well as something the treblehead in me can feed off of. I'm especially giddy when I boost the 8kHz band. there, you all know my deepest secret now, come blackmail me... anyway, this pair would be for when I can't EQ, or don't want to EQ.
 
So it came down to the CKN70 for about $50, versus the CKR9 for about $210. The CKR9 is clearly superior in overall SQ but I took home the CKN70, because I've officially switched to an M.O. where I shop new IEMs monthly instead of making a couple striking landmark purchases each year. So I've capped the price for each purchase. That's one reason. The other reason is if I paid $190, I expect much more of the CKR9 in all the things jant71 talked about.
 
Perhaps we'll get a CKR91 or CKR99 soon with better everything.
 
Nov 15, 2014 at 2:34 AM Post #114 of 163
@vlenbo, cheers for sending your ckr9's around. I've been appreciating everyone's impressions, and your responses. Kudos!

Thanks wayne!
 
I'm wondering if I should tour them somewhere else now, but I'm still unsure.
 
   
The CKR9 does feel like a cut-price special in the sense that the non-SQ aspects can feel cheap & a little unsophisticated. My jaw dropped a little when I saw the cable and the plug. Couldn't they at least have given it the CK323M's cord?
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For this most recent purchase, my objective was an open-air sound in an IEM,as well as something the treblehead in me can feed off of. I'm especially giddy when I boost the 8kHz band. there, you all know my deepest secret now, come blackmail me... anyway, this pair would be for when I can't EQ, or don't want to EQ.
 
So it came down to the CKN70 for about $50, versus the CKR9 for about $210. The CKR9 is clearly superior in overall SQ but I took home the CKN70, because I've officially switched to an M.O. where I shop new IEMs monthly instead of making a couple striking landmark purchases each year. So I've capped the price for each purchase. That's one reason. The other reason is if I paid $190, I expect much more of the CKR9 in all the things jant71 talked about.
 
Perhaps we'll get a CKR91 or CKR99 soon with better everything.

Yup, that's why I seriously want them to cost $150. If not, forget that.
 
I'm not blackmailing you, since you have that preference. As for me, the treble of the ckr9s would lack compared to the ckn70s. The bass lacks a little more weight and quantity than the ckn70s, but that's a good thing. It's tighter and more detailed while having similar impact levels.
 
Now purchasing the ckn70 for $50 over the ckr9s is a better choice. I highly doubt audio technica will make a newer ckr series soon. I find the ckr series perfect imo, but of course it depends on the tips used, the fit, and whether or not you can handle the 4khz peak and as some reported, the 5khz dip.
 
Nov 15, 2014 at 7:54 AM Post #115 of 163
I am reading comments about ckr9s having artificial timbre? 
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 I actually love the timbre of these and rate it highly in this regard. Though I still find the fx850 timbres to be better but these sure arent nearly artificial at all to me but then again maybe I am not hearing it like you guys, still new to this 
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Nov 15, 2014 at 8:56 AM Post #116 of 163
   
The CKR9 does feel like a cut-price special in the sense that the non-SQ aspects can feel cheap & a little unsophisticated. My jaw dropped a little when I saw the cable and the plug. Couldn't they at least have given it the CK323M's cord?
tongue_smile.gif

 
For this most recent purchase, my objective was an open-air sound in an IEM,as well as something the treblehead in me can feed off of. I'm especially giddy when I boost the 8kHz band. there, you all know my deepest secret now, come blackmail me... anyway, this pair would be for when I can't EQ, or don't want to EQ.
 
So it came down to the CKN70 for about $50, versus the CKR9 for about $210. The CKR9 is clearly superior in overall SQ but I took home the CKN70, because I've officially switched to an M.O. where I shop new IEMs monthly instead of making a couple striking landmark purchases each year. So I've capped the price for each purchase. That's one reason. The other reason is if I paid $190, I expect much more of the CKR9 in all the things jant71 talked about.
 
Perhaps we'll get a CKR91 or CKR99 soon with better everything.


Well, me bringing up the CKS and CKN is about the certain unique hook or engaging quality that I feel the CKR loses some of. Many headphones do as they higher models technically improve but lose more of that certain something. Really great ones preserve a great character and combine it with great ability.
 
Probably should have gotten the CKX9 for your objective.
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8kHz is very nice!
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Nov 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM Post #117 of 163
What earphone is the most similar of the ckr9 in terms of soundstage detail and clarity with a similar Sq and kind of sound.  I like weight on the bottom end of the ckr9 with the good balance it has
 
Nov 15, 2014 at 3:39 PM Post #118 of 163
Impressions look to be on the way :xf_eek:
 
Nov 15, 2014 at 10:00 PM Post #119 of 163
Audio Technica CKR9 - Impressions

 
Disclosure: I was generously included on a loaner tour of these, for which I am thankful. They have since moved on to those who have posted their impressions before me.
 
IMPORTANT NOTE: Anything to do with timbre is my personal very own opinion. Everything else is cold hard fact.
 
 
 
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Build and Finish
A bit plasticky, but very solid and what feels like reasonably thick plastic. I have no concerns of them breaking if, say, lightly stepped on by accident. The cable was mostly tangle resistant and felt thick enough to instill confidence. Besides the chromed ring on the outside of the earpiece, they have a very industrial look and feel. I like the design of the plug, a la recent Sony, and strain reliefs were adequate to instill confidence for those that worry about that being an issue. Other than that, it generally lacked any other flourishes that would make one go oooh and ahhh. I didn't have the original case or accessories to be able to comment on the entire package, but they did come in an Audio Technica case that was apparently from one of the BA based earphones and that was very nice case, but it is not the same as the one that comes with these, so if you want a nice case,  look at the ATH balanced armature earphones.
 
But realistically, i've developed pretty low expectations for finishing touches and especially design for earphones that aren't a ridiculously expensive universals, where the company's feel that if they don't make an effort on the design front, that people will complain about the price.
 
Fit
They are a bit, and surprisingly, large (not Red Giant A03 Ossicle ridiculous or anything, but large) and became mildly uncomfortable to the concha after about half an hour. Smaller ears may have a problem even fitting them inside the concha, which would make them very difficult and uncomfortable to listen to for any reasonable period of time. Over ear fit was not happening for me.
 
Dat Sound
The sound is something I've been coming to terms with for a while after they've been gone. It was harder for me to form an opinion on than most other earphones I've heard. This is mostly because it comes about 80% of the way to greatness, but then is just held back. I've mentioned in a few PMs that this is an earphone that takes two steps forward and one step back, and I feel now that this sort of defines the sound as a whole. Everything is almost there. And while that's great, its also disappointing, because nothing makes it out of that hole to be spectacular.
 
Its all about that... bass has great detail and speed with no real complaints about extension or being overemphasized. It is on the other hand slightly on the softer size of impact and the lighter side of weight. And for all the detail, it just has kind of a fluffy softness to the edges which hurts texture a bit, which is in stark contrast to it's upper midrange. The bass is also generally, imaged very near the listener, pretty much feeling in front of everything, not in terms of amplitude but just placement. It doesn't mask anything; it's place just feels... out of place. The VSonic GR07 CE has a similarly imaged bass in the foreground, if possibly a couple of dB more emphasis, but with similar speed and detail, and with better impact and cleaner edges to the bass notes, it can get out of the foreground better and has more inducement to a toe tapping experience. The Aurisonics Rockets on the other hand have less low end amplitude but have a much cleaner and more heft to the low end notes, no directional bias to the imaging and with better timbre.
 
The midrange is interesting. It's, again, not lacking for detail. As a matter of absolute fact, the peak at 4KHz that I hear, and that's has been corroborated by the CKR9ing masses, makes for a delightfully crisp midrange, which likely helps imaging. There seems to be a very slight dip in the lower mids in comparison to the bass and upper midrange in which dulls some vocals. Also, I do hear a significant drop in amplitude around 5KHz. While the detail in the midrange is crisp, it also feels very edgy and almost brittle at the tail end of notes. This is likely due to notes that flow across from 3-5KHz not being able to cleanly finish and almost cut off due to the drop after 4KHz. And this is probably what others have mentioned about the flaw in the sound. I hoped at first that this was due to fit or tips but trying a wide assortment of tips and insertion depths did little to alleviate this section of the frequency response. Timbre is generally good enough in the midrange, better than a lot of earphones, but suffers due significant frequency response shifts hurting tonality which aids timbre.
 
Treble was pretty non-offensive. Not much to write to be honest. No sibilance, etc. Nothing really special either. Nothing really jumped out at me, pro or con, so that's where this ends.
 
One of the more interesting aspects is presentation. While not particularly wide, depth was solid and height was surprisingly good. Images were a little smaller than I'd like in comparison to the stage height, proportion-wise, but nothing critical. Due to the softer more diffuse bass across the front of the stage images were both crisp and clean, but at the same time, they were a bit... stifled. They were set in a stage which felt a bit thick. This is where they reminded me of the Sony XBA-H3. It's a bit more cohesive that the H3, from memory, but it also didn't have that bright fireworks in the sky on a dewy night feeling, that spark of imaging wonder that felt at the least new and fresh for an earphone. This has that same kind of dewy feeling, except it wasn't out in a park, it was more in a large warehouse. A lot to be excited about in its imaging prowess, but it didn't emotionally hit that high note for me.
 
What I get from the CKR9 is a solid performance that doesn't wow me but doesn't bother me. I never had the feeling that I wanted to get them out of my ears quickly, which is definitely a great thing, but I never felt a reason to really want to put them in my ears either. They have a lot of offer but also a lot of missed opportunities, which is what I get from a lot of earphones these days, from low all the way to the high range. What I told people via PM as my first impressions of them I think is still the best expression of them that I have: They are a two steps forward and one step back kind of IEM. But hey, that's still one step forward.

 
Nov 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM Post #120 of 163
 
Time for my experience with the CKR9. Vlenbo was kind enough to allow me to hear them for a week or so. Thank you sir!
 
Quite hesitant to get a CKR9 myself. Thought they would be popular and I said early enough that I thought the CKR9 would probably be the most popular of the whole line up. I think not wanting to try a pair myself was first gen jitters. I really hesitate with first gen products these days. Quite a few in the past and now I can resist pulling the trigger easier than before:) The CKR9 is a product I think has a few first gen bugs to be worked on. Nothing horrible but worth noting.
 
I do wish they put more thought and effort into the design. I have already mentioned these things to a few people. A chin slider would have been nice and maybe a little effort on the Y joint. Fine for similar Y joints on cheap products because they are just that, cheap. Would like better on the CKR9. The plug and top of the housing are capped in a glossy plastic which is exactly the same as that on my CHX7. At 3X the price it could have been a better material. Cable is good but still not the most tangle resistant. Can't complain about it outside of the Y, slider, and plug capping. Not sure why they didn't stick with a more traditional design than placing the tube where they did. For me, it made getting the optimal sound hard. Tip rolling is not about tweaking or experimenting so much as trying to avoid issues. Medium tips become just a bit too small for me with the CKR9. Problems like losing seal in my left ear or not getting a good enough seal if the tips are short etc. Then larger tips gave driver flex in the right and maybe a seal where the CKR9 slowed and became a bit overly thick. Very few tips worked for optimal sound and fit. Sort of a M/L thing in between medium and large is needed unless the medium tips were long enough or the small a bit narrower. The CKR9 were fiddly and difficult for me and probably didn't have to be.
 
 As for sound reality, when I got them to sound right, they do a good job. For ultimate sound reality I would like them to have more extension on the ends, more transparency, and be truer to source. Can't complain for their price level though. Not the most true to source so synergy applies more than performing equally well across devices. The CKR9 sounds better on my Iriver E300 on the Power Drum EQ than it does with the FiiO X1 or X1/E11K rig.
 
I do appreciate the approach as AT did a good job in many aspects. Stage is well done for being fairly even in all three dimensions. Layering and imaging/positioning is also good. Bass, mid, treble cohesiveness is also very good. Good clarity, decay, and timbre throughout only let down by some transparency problems in the upper mids and upper treble(didn't sweep or anything to get specific). There is a good amount of detail and resolution and they perform well in being natural and "real" sounding.  
 
Sound signature-wise, I really liked them but didn't love them. I think a bit of the new AT house "fun" sound is gone. Not exactly a better version of things like a CKS1000 or CKN70 signature. Phones like those have a certain "hook" which is less so with the CKR9. Have to admit I enjoy the bass and mids on the FX32 better than the CKR9. The CKR9 is best with the best synergy and the most perfect sound it can bring. When not optimal there just doesn't seem to be as much "fun" to fall back on and be more forgiving about. I can forgive the FX32 not having the extension or quality of the CKR9 or the reference Tenore because of the bass and mids quality and enjoyability. Thus I sold the Tenore in favor of the little JVC and even enjoyed the JVC more than the CKR9 before they left me.
 
The CKR9 came out here in the U.S. with a street price as low as $190 and I think that you get enough sound for that price. Still, for me to purchase a pair, I would like a better/more elaborate fit kit, a design that worked better for me, and a bit of quality improvement on some of the cable and plug accents. Some things to shoot for on a possible CKR90?? Certainly gonna keep an eye on the next incarnation!
 

 
 
   

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First impressions is that they are a upgrade sonically to the ATH CKS1000. Height and width of the soundstage is impressive HUGE, much BIGGER sound with great crispness and clarity which renders the music in a very nuanced way due to the staging. Micro details are very good with good lushness and definition. Haven't tested it for sibilance or treble harshness but it seems not to be a problem from the 30mins i tested them out.
 
Now for the not so impressive. TIMBRE is kinda artificial sounding along with an artificially enhanced large soundstage. It just doesn't sound that natural to me for some reason. The crispness of the sound is a bit much, especially on my FiiO X5/C5 combo which seems to enhance the already pretty 3D/ crisp sound of the CKR9s even more, hence it makes my ears ring only after a short time of listening. There is a slight matellic tinge to their sound as well, akin to the older Sony XBA-3 (maybe in the mids of these CKR9s) which led to my artificial impression of them.
 
There is no chin slider on these CKR9s just as the ATH CKS1000s didn't have as well which is kinda lame on ATH's part. The cable is of the similar quality on both (which isn't the most impressive or best i have came across) but it is more supple/ softer on the CKR9s which is an improvement over the stiffer/ more rubbery ones of the ATH CKS1000s.
 
Mo' to come after mo' listening. 
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edit: bass quality is pretty damn good with very good quantity as well, but is lacking a bit in texture and weight. Mid bass slams pretty hard but subs can go a bit deeper. Speed is pretty good as well. In general a clear, big, speedy, and bold sound. Almost like the KEF M200 without their warmth with more crispness added on top along with much BIGGER height in staging.
 

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Your slight lower midrange problem has been one that ailed earfonia, and I did actually catch that as soon as I've read earfonia's review (before owning it). however, it was minor for me that I didn't include it, but i should mention it probably..
 
I agree with the highs, they're smooth and great detailed. ...that's it. The midrange still works wonders for me, and the bass has enough weight and impact that I have difficulty agreeing with you. You, sf, and jant cannot wear them over ear, but somehow I can. This definitely means something to me, and something that audio technica should definitely be aware of. 
 
I may be implicating that there is a fit problem, but that is not the case. Mostly, the idea of the housing's shape along with our ear canal's structure seems to be the problem. So I definitely won't disagree with your comments, nor jant's, nor sf's when you guys state that there may be problems in the bass, upper midrange and possibly treble.
 
One thing I'll never agree about though...
 
That the ckn70s are appealing to most people, when that had quite the controversy with its treble problem and the midrange, the whole 3-5khz midrange...
 
 
Edited due to a guilty feeling of not including everyone else's reviews to be honest, now people can have all posts from jant, sf, and you vwinter.
 

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