Originally Posted by eke2k6
Sf, science is not up for debate.
The fact that carbon emissions are directly contributing to the warming of the planet, is irrefutable.
The ozone layer acts as a barrier against solar radiation. When it is thinned, more radiation gets through, thus leading to warming of the planet. Couple that with the greenhouse gases, which act as barriers that stop this heat from leaving the surface of the earth, and you've got even more trouble.
Picture the scenario like this: You have a plastic dish in a microwave. The microwave radiation can get through the plastic pretty easily, but imagine if you made the plastic layer even thinner (thinning of the ozone layer). The result would be even more radiation slipping through. Now to simulate the effect of greenhouse gases, put a lid on the container.
I'd go into the chemistry of it, but there are plenty of resources if you really want to see it.
I understand certain laws of physics/ science are "not up for debate" BUT isn't science also very dynamic and is changing/ evolving due to new revelations/ discoveries that has not been conceived before??? Case and point is the age old view that dinosaurs were only cold blooded reptilians, but recent fossil discoveries in certain regions of China proves that it might also be part mammal as well.
And yes i have already learned about the green house effect since i was in high school, i didn't take 2 years of environmental sciences in HS for nothing. The ozone and greenhouse affect is legit but is ALL the warming driven by CO2 though??? That's the crux of the argument, is C02 a pollutant, cuz the earth has experienced wayyy higher levels of CO2 in its recorded history yet was it the "end of the world" as these global warming proponents are suggesting. CO2 is a natural life giving gas which plants need to grow, so how can such crucial thing be labeled as a "pollutant"??? I agree pollution is not healthy and causes A LOT of environmental degradation but CO2 should not be casts as the central villain. And why is only CO2 seen as the main cause of Man Mad Global Warming, isn't that a interesting notion to pontificate upon?
I think any type of debate is healthy, and since the "science" of Man Made Global Warming is still a relative new filed of study, why shouldn't there be more debate regarding this supposedly "life or death" matter that affects all of mankind. Eke have you heard of what is dubbed as "Climate Gate" and the manipulation of science data by the IPCC??? The science needs to be examined under strict scrutiny cuz of this. So what i am just trying to say is try to be as objective as possible and consider both sides of the argument. If you have some time to kill, just watch the vids i posted above and judge it for yourself. But don't just simply dismiss it cuz you thinks it's all "conspiracy theory" like i said that's a easy cop out and intellectual laziness.
Global Warming/ Climate Change is real but man made pollution is not central, nor the engine that is driving it. The climate has always been changing cuz it's so dynamic and the Earth has went through A LOT more serious climate shifts that were more catastrophic than what we have ever experienced in recorded human history, yet it still lives on. I just don't think that due to a few degrees increases the world as we know it will go under as depicted in Al Gores "film". I don't think humans can ever destroy this world cuz of our C02 emissions, we might kill ourselves off with nukes, germ warfare, etc but the earth is gonna still be kicking up dust after our departure, cuz it has survived a lot more crazy things since its existence than some mere degree increases. Just trying to be logical that's all.