Return of the Sensaphonics 2X-S - Early comparisons to UE-10 Pro

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by lindrone As far as to appreciate E2c more than E5c... E5c's bass can be overpowering, overshadowing its midranges and making the midrange vocals recessed. E2c's bass is definitely not as powerful, overall the definition is not as good as E2c, however the midrange is forward and present at all times. If you like a lot of deep, rich female vocals, E5c's midrange may not be a very good way to present those specific type of sounds. I'm just naming one reason that one may like E2c more than E5c. Big D may have other reasons as well, but you see from example how that line of logic perfectly makes sense.

The E5 are more layed back, but they still have a slight hump on the mids. Do you really think female vocals can possibly sound better on the E2?

If so, then wow, I need to get myself some E2's. I, as many of us here, listen to female vocals so we'll all need to get some E2s since they are more upfront meaning superior then the sensa's as well for female vocals, right?

Strange though, compared to the E3c, female vocals sound better on the E5, especially if you want to hear more than just the vocal itself - and the E3 are even more upfront than the E2. Also, I'm sure with some equalizing the E5 can be (not that I like upfront) just as upfront as the E2/E3 -- ofcourse you wont loose the detail

, but I'm just saying, cheap headphones can be very up upfront, very bassy, very layed back, etc.. -- same as audiophile headphones can be very upfront, very bassy or very layed back, etc.. The sound signature doesnt mean anything at all.

So my argument still stands. If you are not willing to get the equipment to get the best out of your headphones, be it an amplifier or an equalizer, then just stick to consumer level equipment and go for a witch hunt for a pair that matches your exact preference.

 

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by vranswer Uh, the value of the sum of the numbers 2 and 2 added together is a mathematical equation. It has only one result (at least in this plane of existence). Whether the E2 sounds as good or better than the E5, or the E3 sounds similar to a sea shell held up to the ear, are matters inherently much more subjective. If someone "prefers" the E2 over the E5, I would take the statement at face value - it is what it is. You simply cannot even disagree with the statement at all.

There is only 1 answer here as well

-- I also see arguments where people say 1 piece of software is faster than the other where there is mathematical proof otherwise.

People can say it, sure.. They want to believe it because they own the piece of equipment or had an outburst of emotion at that particular time that lead their mind to believe its "better".

There are a whole bunch of biological mechanisms that can cause a person to believe something that is significantly better is worse. How can you /not/ disagree with stuff that is clearly wrong? -- You wont convince the person otherwise, but atleast dont repeat or agree to it or others will repeat it.

 

[Big D]

Hackeron you really don't understand very much do you? Least of that someone else can have a differing but valid opinion.

I prefer the Shure E2 to the E5. This isn't even open to debate. My opinion expressed by me is FACT. Even if you think otherwise you make my opinion any less true. To my ears vocals on the E2 are better than the E5. The E2 makes the sound appear as I want to hear it but the E5 doesn't.

By your logic of comparing price to decide what is better then Lindrone's opinion is worthless given that he prefers the sound signature of the 2X-S ($750) over the UE-10 Pro ($900). Not one person has posted to agree with your arguement so maybe you should drop it.

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Originally Posted by hackeron Are you actually debating if the E5 sound better than the E2? -- Thats like debating if a blowjob is adultery --- the answer is *YES*! yet it takes some people a while to figure it out and if some dont (that means you Big D), then hell, atleast dont let the rest repeat the garbage.

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Originally Posted by hackeron I will gladly accept criticism from anyone and will edit out my post if what I said is inaccurate. There is a reason why audiophile grade equipment exists, and no consumer level equipment can compete on any levels but price. If someone says otherwise, its only fair to point out the information is false. There is enough bull**** floating around on this forum, lets not promote more

So my opinion is "bull****" and "garbage" is it? Thanks for that as it has made reporting your personal attack all the easier.

Maybe you'll have noticed that I seem to be getting more respect here than you do. Maybe all your posts should be deleted from this thread to limit the amount of bull****?

 

[Big D]

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Originally Posted by hackeron There is only 1 answer here as well -- I also see arguments where people say 1 piece of software is faster than the other where there is mathematical proof otherwise.

Pray tell where I can find the mathematical proof the E5 is better than the E2?

 

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by Big D Pray tell where I can find the mathematical proof the E5 is better than the E2?

Its so rediculously simple it doesnt require proof, if you know how to appreciate good sound, just listen to them

Just shake off those people that say Leonardo Da-Vinci's paintings are nothing special first

 

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by Big D Hackeron you really don't understand very much do you? Least of that someone else can have a differing but valid opinion.

lol -- you can only have an opinion if you knowledge.

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I prefer the Shure E2 to the E5. This isn't even open to debate. My opinion expressed by me is FACT. Even if you think otherwise you make my opinion any less true. To my ears vocals on the E2 are better than the E5. The E2 makes the sound appear as I want to hear it but the E5 doesn't.

lol! -- Everything is up for debate. I suggest reading some of Paul Graham's essays, maybe then you'll understand something.

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By your logic of comparing price to decide what is better then Lindrone's opinion is worthless given that he prefers the sound signature of the 2X-S ($750) over the UE-10 Pro ($900). Not one person has posted to agree with your arguement so maybe you should drop it.

3 people disagree with me, I simply must be wrong

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So my opinion is "bull****" and "garbage" is it? Thanks for that as it has made reporting your personal attack all the easier.

Did I say that? -- I said you dont know what you're talking about, yet you are very vocal about it. And inaccurate garbage should be pointed out.

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Maybe you'll have noticed that I seem to be getting more respect here than you do. Maybe all your posts should be deleted from this thread to limit the amount of bull****?

Please take the time to read and understand my posts first.

 

[gorman]

Hackeron, could you please stop this? I was interested in discussing Sensas and UEs. What's with this personal crusade of yours against BigD. Come on, you've stated what you wanted. Give it a rest!

 

[Big D]

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Originally Posted by hackeron Its so rediculously simple it doesnt require proof, if you know how to appreciate good sound, just listen to them Just shake off those people that say Leonardo Da-Vinci's paintings are nothing special first

For a start the word is "ridiculously" not "rediculously".

Stop trying to make my subjective opinion somehow the same as yours by some non-existent objective criteria that you don't seem willing or able to divulge. I can't believe that you'd bring something as subjective as art to back up your arguement of objectivity!!

I'm starting to think (to quote Red Dwarf) that you'd lose a battle of wits with a stuffed iguana!!

 

[Zoide]

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Originally Posted by hackeron Thats like debating if a blowjob is adultery --- the answer is *YES*!

Umm... you are wrong once more. If your wife is the one giving it to you, then it is not adultery. Which is to say, if BigD prefers the E2C over the E5C, then the E2C is better to him than the E5C. I really don't know how you can be so thick.

 

[PATB]

Big D, thank you for taking the time to write down your thoughts on the UE-10 and Sensaphonics 2X-S. Although I enjoy my 2X-S very much, I can see why I can like the UE-10 pro too. I am looking forward to more of your impressions in the future.

Lindrone or Big D, getting back to the UE/Sensa comparison, is it possible to simplify the comparison for newbs like me in terms of full size cans? For example, if one likes Sennheisers, is that person more likely to prefer the UE sound or the Sensa sound? What about for a Grado person? Just curious if this comparison can be simplified a little more.

Thanks again to Big D (and lindrone).

---Pat

 

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by Big D For a start the word is "ridiculously" not "rediculously".

English is my third language, forgive me for making a spelling mistake -- I'm sure your english is better than mine.

 

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by Zoide Umm... you are wrong once more. If your wife is the one giving it to you, then it is not adultery. Which is to say, if BigD prefers the E2C over the E5C, then the E2C is better to him than the E5C. I really don't know how you can be so thick.

By your logic if someone thinks 2 + 2 = 5 then fine, its his opinion, he cannot be wrong. I really cant understand how you can be so thick...

 

[hackeron]

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Originally Posted by Big D Stop trying to make my subjective opinion somehow the same as yours by some non-existent objective criteria that you don't seem willing or able to divulge. I can't believe that you'd bring something as subjective as art to back up your arguement of objectivity!!

Art is only subjective by those that dont understand it. Again, maybe a read of some of Paul Graham's essays. Its interesting how you still cant figure out what I'm talking about

On intellectual forums people normally get it by now.

EDIT: by that I mean like a medical or encyclopedia forum etc.

 

[random person]

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Originally Posted by hackeron An equalizer doesnt add distortion, it doesnt have any negative effects, it just pushes or reduces the volume of certain frequency ranges to your personal preference (well, provided you use a good equalizer and the headphones are technically capable). While there are several factors like decay duration, artificial treble detail, detail in general, etc that an equalizer cant fix, certain things like amplifying frequencies it certainly accomplishes with flying colours. Just why would you expect a pair of headphones to come with a sound signature that you will love out of box? -- sure the higher end headphones try to meet the preference of the general public, but look at the frequency response graphs, they are not flat at all, so if you want to hear life like sound, you'll equalize anyway and listen to strictly binaural recordings Also, not like most portable devices dont have an equalizer on the market these days, at very good prices. And while not strictly related to headphones, any speaker system you buy is designed to be equalized to the room's acoustics and personal preference.

Well Hackeron as much as I would like to stay out of this debate I'm afraid I have to jump in. There is in fact an entire school of high-end audio dealers that completely reject using an equalizer. These are, of course, the kind of places that have you match an amp to the speaker setup to do paired comparisons, in order, with your reference music selections, in rooms that are set up for you with couch and speakers all set up to simulate your living room situation as closely as possible. You meet with them by appointment. They might serve you sherry and cheese and crackers as well. They will drive you home if you like, install everything, with a complete money-back guarantee. And they would cringe if you wanted an equalizer. The right amp, paired with with right speakers, in the right environment, should not *need* or require equalization.

Of course you might prefer to equalize things for certain music selections, or to meet your personal bass lust, and so on. But purists would/do cringe.

Krell, for example, (certainly a high-end amp company!) does not include equalizers in its integrated amps, and at their prices you wouldn't want to add one either. My Krell rig with my ridiculously expensive speakers (they were $12,000 for the pair -- such a deal!) sound delicious. The bassline could blow your brains out; yet classical is done so stunningly beautifully that it is simply gorgeous.

Personally I agree with Big D (in this and all things!

) -- personal preferences notwithstanding, high-end rigs do not/should not require equalization. Of course it also helps to buy your system together, or at least test your components together, rather than buying your amp, then your speakers, etc., without having the chance to hear them all together first.

And yes I also think that one can prefer the sound of technically inferior phones. Lindrone, for example, prefers the UE5c over the UE10 even though he finds the UE10 to be technically superior. That seems fine to me. Otherwise we'd all just be heating up our credit cards to buy the most expensive systems out there, whether we liked them or not. (I've heard there's a million-dollar speaker system set up in a showroom near me. I feel certain they are technically better than my setup but I'm obviously NEVER going to audition them.)

Oh and please Big D and lindrone -- tell me which phone you prefer for classical music and why. See my prior post (the one with my wine analogy and wierd dream in it!)

 

[Big D]

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Originally Posted by hackeron Art is only subjective by those that dont understand it. Again, maybe a read of some of Paul Graham's essays. Its interesting how you still cant figure out what I'm talking about On intellectual forums people normally get it by now.

No-one can figure out what you are talking about because it is so ridiculous.

I see it clearly now that if I read a Paul Graham essay I will suddenly see that the E5 are better sounding than the E2 and I will be cured of my "illness".

Please don't post in this thread anymore unless it is about the 2X-S or UE-10 Pro. You are spoiling it for everyone else and hopefully heading towards a ban.

If you have no respect for others then you deserve none yourself.