Resolved: Unable to reply when quoting in a thread I've quoted in before

[PixelSquish]

basically if I try to quote someone in a thread I've quoted someone already in a different reply that was already fully posted, I get this error

"Double posting replies goes against the posting guidelines. Please use the Edit feature to amend your previous post."

 

[AxelCloris]

Hey PixelSquish,

Looks like things are working as intended. From our Posting Guidelines, linked and explained in the message you received:

Only make one post at a time in any thread. If your post is the last one in the thread and you need to add something, use the Edit button instead. If you are replying to multiple posts, please use the multi-quote feature (+ Quote button) to draft one comprehensive post instead of replying to each post individually in quick succession.

 

[PoSR77]

I'm also getting this "Double posting replies goes against the posting guidelines. Please use the Edit feature to amend your previous post."

What I'm trying to do is what I've done for years: post (some of) the same music in 2 different threads. Eg; post everything I'm listening to in the "What Are You Listening To Right Now?" thread, and then just the ECM albums in my "Today's ECM Playlist" thread. This isn't spamming as I'm not posting all of the same content (as some people do in numerous music threads for example).

I even tried to just post a "testing" reply in the ECM thread and I get the same error message. So not at all the same content as I've posted today in the "Listening to right now" thread. I'm not even sure if this post will go through. (EDIT: ok, this post did, that's good).

I closed the browser, signed out and back in, and restarted my comp; didn't help. Weird.

 

[AxelCloris]

PoSR77,

What you're describing is posting back-to-back, where one of your posts follows another of your posts in the thread. This is something Head-Fi does not allow under our Posting Guidelines.

From the message you received: "Double posting replies goes against the posting guidelines." A double post is two or more in a row. From our Posting Guidelines:

Only make one post at a time in any thread. If your post is the last one in the thread and you need to add something, use the Edit button instead. If you are replying to multiple posts, please use the multi-quote feature (+ Quote button) to draft one comprehensive post instead of replying to each post individually in quick succession.

You will need to use the site's multi-quote function if you'd like to reply to multiple people. Based on what you've stated about posting what you're listening to, you'll need to edit the previous post whenever you'd like to make a new post in a thread when you are the most recent poster. This is working as designed.

Edit: For an example, posting back-to-back (double posting) like this is not allowed under our Guidelines. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/todays-ecm-playlist.971461/page-15#post-18537509

 

[taffy2207]

You've just killed the Free FLAC Thread with this rule, a thread with over 2 Million hits, a thread which I have contributed 7,862 posts to over almost 10 years. not forgetting other members contributions. Time for me to leave if this stays.

Why not just delay the time between posts? That's a much better solution to spammers. This rule will kill most of the Music threads and many more.

 

[2leftears]

You've just killed the Free FLAC Thread with this rule, a thread with over 2 Million hits, a thread which I have contributed 7,862 posts to over almost 10 years. not forgetting other members contributions. Time for me to leave if this stays.

Why not just delay the time between posts? That's a much better solution to spammers. This rule will kill most of the Music threads and many more.

I second that; this change will kill off many interesting threads in the music forum.

It may be that a rule that always existed is now being enforced, but some threads cannot exist with this enforcement in place.

Many specialised niche music genre threads have many watchers and get many views, but only have very few knowledgeable members contributing the content that many viewers enjoy. Some threads get many views, but have virtually only one poster who provides all the content. That doesn't work in one big ever-expanding post. Also, adding all the new content and new band notifications etc. in one big post is not manageable, since that doesn't notify the many thread watchers of new content.

I realise that all these music threads do not directly help the Head-Fi sponsors promote their products, but in the end what point is there to headphones if it isn't for the enjoyment of music?

EDIT: Ironically, the only threads in the Music forum that benefit from this change are the transient "what are you listening to right now?" type of threads. Essentially this change has turned a traditional forum style into a Reddit rolling newsreel style forum...

 

[PoSR77]

PoSR77,

What you're describing is posting back-to-back, where one of your posts follows another of your posts in the thread. This is something Head-Fi does not allow under our Posting Guidelines.

From the message you received: "Double posting replies goes against the posting guidelines." A double post is two or more in a row. From our Posting Guidelines:


You will need to use the site's multi-quote function if you'd like to reply to multiple people. Based on what you've stated about posting what you're listening to, you'll need to edit the previous post whenever you'd like to make a new post in a thread when you are the most recent poster. This is working as designed.

Edit: For an example, posting back-to-back (double posting) like this is not allowed under our Guidelines. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/todays-ecm-playlist.971461/page-15#post-18537509

As for quoting people, that's not what I was doing. I'm just posting (some) of the same content in two different posts in two different threads. Worked fine for years.

Here's an example:

1) 1st post in the "what are you listening to now thread". Notice the ECM album I posted in that "catch all" thread. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/what-are-you-listening-to-right-now.253245/page-9748#post-18552635

2) Less than 5 minutes later, I posted the ECM content from the post above in the ECM thread. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/todays-ecm-playlist.971461/post-18552644 As you can see, it's not spamming since I'm only posting some of the same relevant content already posted in the other thread. I'm not posting all the same content/albums over and over in thread after thread.

Also note that the above linked post in the ECM thread is right under an earlier post I had made in that same thread. So I was the last poster in that thread and yet able to post again before anyone else did. So a double post in that sense. Just as I've done for years.

And as others have pointed out, the "if you had the last post in a thread, you can't post another in that thread until someone else posts" is absurd as many threads are low-traffic and filled with one, or just a few, posters who now have to wait until someone else posts (which can be days) until they can post again, or endlessly edit their last post which will 1) crowd up that post needlessly, and 2) keep the thread not bumped or refreshed so others who see it or follow it won't be aware of new content added to it.

As long as a single person is not posting like 10 times per day one post after another in the same thread (spamming the thread) when no one else is posting, what's the big deal? My ECM playlist thread is largely made up of me, or one or two others posting, sometimes days apart. So if I'm the last poster from a day, or a few days ago, and I want to post again, I can't. I have to edit my last post. Same with anyone else posting in there. That's just silly. It punishes less popular threads and rewards more popular ones. And that's unfair.

 

[2leftears]

You will need to use the site's multi-quote function if you'd like to reply to multiple people. Based on what you've stated about posting what you're listening to, you'll need to edit the previous post whenever you'd like to make a new post in a thread when you are the most recent poster. This is working as designed.

Edit: For an example, posting back-to-back (double posting) like this is not allowed under our Guidelines. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/todays-ecm-playlist.971461/page-15#post-18537509

You mean also posts like this?: [FIIO DM13] HiFi Balanced Output Portable Stereo CD Player DM13 Is Officially Released!

Are you going to take the same strict approach with the sponsors' advertising posts?

I'm not trying to be unreasonable; there are indeed many threads which abused the ability to double post until recently, posting many posts per day. But as I said, there are also much more judicious threads (not just in the Music forum) that attract many viewers, but few posters, because of their specialised subject matter. These tend to post maybe once per week or so, but get caught out by this strict rule enforcement, effectively stopping them dead in their tracks, and ultimately will let them die.

The unintended consequence of this may well be that whereas previously double posting happened, now some may resort to starting a new thread for every new post they like to see flagged under the "New posts".

Is there no way a middle-ground can be found? (E.g. having the thread starter decide if a thread should allow double posting or not?)

 

[Edric Li]

Why begin enforcing this rule *now*? What is with this sudden urge to teach me Internet etiquette?

 

[SilverEars]

You've just killed the Free FLAC Thread with this rule, a thread with over 2 Million hits, a thread which I have contributed 7,862 posts to over almost 10 years. not forgetting other members contributions. Time for me to leave if this stays.

Why not just delay the time between posts? That's a much better solution to spammers. This rule will kill most of the Music threads and many more.

I agree. I find this annoying and probably will deter me from visiting this site ever again. My intention is not to spam, but appreciated the freedom to post whenever I wanted, and with this gone, I really don't care to come here. This will probably kill off threads.

I saw this too. Plenty of multiple posts.

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[rids57]

I just tried posting about a new band in the Prog Rock thread and because I happen to be the most recent poster I am blocked from doing so. Sure I can amend my previous post as you dictate BUT the new post has absolutely nothing to do with it as they are two different bands and two different albums. This draconian measure will kill the thread as there are only so many regular posters but a lot more readers.

 

[2leftears]

I just tried posting about a new band in the Prog Rock thread and because I happen to be the most recent poster I am blocked from doing so. Sure I can amend my previous post as you dictate BUT the new post has absolutely nothing to do with it as they are two different bands and two different albums. This draconian measure will kill the thread as there are only so many regular posters but a lot more readers.

Yes, that's exactly the problem I explained in this thread (and another thread). This will kill threads with many readers but few knowledgeable posters.

I'm not sure if the admins are simply ignoring what we are trying to point out, or whether they are mulling it over...

Maybe it seems like a trivial problem to them, and they are in their rights to argue that it was always a rule, so take it or leave it, but it really changes for the worse the way this site works as a community forum for headphone and music enthusiasts.

I honestly don't understand the rationale for this rule, and they haven't given us one. I fear they have decided the sponsors' and trade members' new post notifications are getting lost amongst the other new post notifications. If so then surely that could easily be solved by having a separate "New sponsor posts" section.

 

[castleofargh]

Actual problem about this:
When I just tried editing my last post, when clicking on "reply" to quote someone's post in my edit, that also triggered the pop up message and no quote was added. I'm guessing that is not the intended behavior.




@2leftears be careful with your motivated post about moderation that foremost cares about possible victims, that's exactly how I ended up moderating Sound Science. I don't wish something like that happening to a good guy like you.
Seriously, there is something about emotional response and spam posting that I have always hated for years and wished wouldn't be possible. Same thing for unscrupulous "bumps". At large, I'm for not being able to multipost in the same topic.
But of course there are obvious legitimate circumstances like what @taffy2207 mentioned. That sure would be a silly thing to lose and IDK how people could know there are new things to download if he can only edit the last post? I expect something could be done, a timer lock, excluding some sections of the forum from that blockage, giving a magical pass to a few who are worth having one, the OP of a thread having some tool to signal new content that would show up on our little bell if we follow that thread... IDK what's super dumb, or what can even be coded on this forum, so I'll gladly leave it to those who deal with that.

 

[2leftears]

But of course there are obvious legitimate circumstances like what @taffy2207 mentioned. That sure would be a silly thing to lose and IDK how people could know there are new things to download if he can only edit the last post? I expect something could be done, a timer lock, excluding some sections of the forum from that blockage, giving a magical pass to a few who are worth having one, the OP of a thread having some tool to signal new content that would show up on our little bell if we follow that thread... IDK what's super dumb, or what can even be coded on this forum, so I'll gladly leave it to those who deal with that.

Well, it's not just @taffy2207's thread. My own J-Rock thread is now also impossible to maintain. I had put quite a bit of effort into it, including an index.

Maybe mine is a perfect example of the type of thread the administrators want to avoid; I don't know because they haven't given us a rationale for the double posting ban. When I started it I did about one post per day, later no more than one post per week/fortnight perhaps; hardly spamming the forum. And to be fair, it was never meant to be a thread where I do almost all of the heavy lifting of providing content. I started it because of a near total lack of representation of Japanese rock music in the Head-Fi Music forum, since the Japanese music industry is so spectacularly poor/reluctant at promoting itself outside of Japan. I do know my thread has followers and gets many views, but few themselves know enough about J-Rock to contribute (or they can't be bothered).

A few bands that had been stuck on number of subscribers for a few months/year started to grow rapidly shortly after I featured them. I shall never know if my posts made any difference to them or whether it was just coincidence, but it would be sad to have to mothball the thread.

And I'm sure there are many other niche music-genre threads like it, where the OP never anticipated having to provide most if not all of the content themselves.

 

[AstronomerXI]

PoSR77,

What you're describing is posting back-to-back, where one of your posts follows another of your posts in the thread. This is something Head-Fi does not allow under our Posting Guidelines.

From the message you received: "Double posting replies goes against the posting guidelines." A double post is two or more in a row. From our Posting Guidelines:


You will need to use the site's multi-quote function if you'd like to reply to multiple people. Based on what you've stated about posting what you're listening to, you'll need to edit the previous post whenever you'd like to make a new post in a thread when you are the most recent poster. This is working as designed.

Edit: For an example, posting back-to-back (double posting) like this is not allowed under our Guidelines. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/todays-ecm-playlist.971461/page-15#post-18537509

The Schiit Happened thread is very active and this new rule is having collateral damage by aggravating the bejayzus out a heck of a lot of people. Please rethink or tweak this poorly thought out rule/algorithm/nonsense. It's creating far too much friction.