Post A Photograph Of Your Turntable
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It all flows quite nicely. Even kitty is cool...
Not my main headphones but they happend to be lying around.
It all flows quite nicely. Even kitty is cool...
MorbidToaster
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Another terrible shot of gorgeous vinyl. Came in today. Inverted lightning bolt. Great art came with it, too.
nelamvr6
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Where's the "Post a photograph of your speakers" thread?
calipilot227
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Dammit guys, you're making me want a VPI turntable now! Anyone compared one with a Thorens TD-145/160?
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Redcarmoose
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Yes, I had a Thorens TD-145 purchased back in early 2003 when you could find em for $100.00 on Ebay. I really loved it. A big change from all the tables I have owned. Older Thorens like the TD-145 or less desired TD 160 had an acoustic resonance that they affected onto the music. They are very musical but lacking at times in detail just due to that warm resonance. They are totally forgiving when used with bad recordings or crappy stereo gear. They also had to my ears, a great way of making those thin 1980-1989 recording sound fuller than they were.
The VPI maybe just due to the construction and design have very little of that color. They are cold and critical showing every ounce of detail in the recordings.Combined with warm headphones and amps they balance out well. The other result is a dead quiet background where a ton of detail has the potential of being noticed. I own a Scout which I picked up used with a cartridge for about $1200. You can get em way cheaper now though. A friend has a VPI Hot Rod where really the sky is the limit to what you can spend. You can hear the results too.
I just went to the Thorens page and they are making some cool tables now. I have no experience with em though.
Yes, I had a Thorens TD-145 purchased back in early 2003 when you could find em for $100.00 on Ebay. I really loved it. A big change from all the tables I have owned. Older Thorens like the TD-145 or less desired TD 160 had an acoustic resonance that they affected onto the music. They are very musical but lacking at times in detail just due to that warm resonance. They are totally forgiving when used with bad recordings or crappy stereo gear. They also had to my ears, a great way of making those thin 1980-1989 recording sound fuller than they were.
The VPI maybe just due to the construction and design have very little of that color. They are cold and critical showing every ounce of detail in the recordings.Combined with warm headphones and amps they balance out well. The other result is a dead quiet background where a ton of detail has the potential of being noticed. I own a Scout which I picked up used with a cartridge for about $1200. You can get em way cheaper now though. A friend has a VPI Hot Rod where really the sky is the limit to what you can spend. You can hear the results too.
I just went to the Thorens page and they are making some cool tables now. I have no experience with em though.
Redcarmoose
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Another terrible shot of gorgeous vinyl. Came in today. Inverted lightning bolt. Great art came with it, too.
calipilot227
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Wow, thanks! Very informative response.
Aside from price, the main challenge will be the psychological barrier of going from a suspended TT to a non-suspended one. My TD-145 does poorly enough with footfalls (a wall shelf is in the works). It just sucks that I'm at the point where there are no more cheap tables that will bring a true upgrade (I'll have to spend $1,000+). Such is this hobby
Wow, thanks! Very informative response.
Aside from price, the main challenge will be the psychological barrier of going from a suspended TT to a non-suspended one. My TD-145 does poorly enough with footfalls (a wall shelf is in the works). It just sucks that I'm at the point where there are no more cheap tables that will bring a true upgrade (I'll have to spend $1,000+). Such is this hobby
Redcarmoose
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That's the fun of the hobby. I purchased my VPI in downtown LA and drove gingerly home ( table in passenger sear) on the the freeway to O.C.. Little did I know I was suppose to take the turntable apart. The upgrades are what make all this such a thrill. I agree though that it's hard to upgrade from a TD-145. I actually miss mine as some thin records are so stale with the VPI. It's just showing you what it is. If a records suffers from that 80's sound you hear it.
It's a HUGE upgrade though. I promise. My humble VPI has way better stability in speed, better sound stage. super clear detail in comparison to the TD-145. Look around I bet you can find one used for little money?
Wow, thanks! Very informative response.
Aside from price, the main challenge will be the psychological barrier of going from a suspended TT to a non-suspended one. My TD-145 does poorly enough with footfalls (a wall shelf is in the works). It just sucks that I'm at the point where there are no more cheap tables that will bring a true upgrade (I'll have to spend $1,000+). Such is this hobby
That's the fun of the hobby. I purchased my VPI in downtown LA and drove gingerly home ( table in passenger sear) on the the freeway to O.C.. Little did I know I was suppose to take the turntable apart. The upgrades are what make all this such a thrill. I agree though that it's hard to upgrade from a TD-145. I actually miss mine as some thin records are so stale with the VPI. It's just showing you what it is. If a records suffers from that 80's sound you hear it.
It's a HUGE upgrade though. I promise. My humble VPI has way better stability in speed, better sound stage. super clear detail in comparison to the TD-145. Look around I bet you can find one used for little money?
calipilot227
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The other option that I'm considering is the Pro-ject Debut Carbon with Speedbox upgrade, that way I could invest more into a cart (Ortofon 2M Bronze or Black). The Speedbox is said to solve the hum problem as well as improve the wow and flutter. The carbon fiber tonearm may be an improvement, or a step in the wrong direction. I'm heading to Sumiko today in Berkeley to demo one (because why not?).
As much as I love my Thorens, I find I spend as much time tweaking it as I do actually listening to records. Gets frustrating when I know exactly how it's supposed to sound, but half the time something isn't quite right.
As much as I love my Thorens, I find I spend as much time tweaking it as I do actually listening to records. Gets frustrating when I know exactly how it's supposed to sound, but half the time something isn't quite right.
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Isn't that just saying it is not hifi? It's just like putting ketchup on everything. That's ok when you have poor quality meat, but when you have goumet meals it just makes everything come out the same and wasting all the quality and effort that's in there.
I think it better to clean and maintain your records properly than have a 'forgiving' player.
BTW, I saw a documentary on Japanese TV (english subs) yesterday about Wajima lackerware. It made me appreciate my Koetsu Urushi Wajima even more. That lacker is not just a coat of paint! It's a proces of >100 steps with 20 coats that takes over a year.
Redcarmoose
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The guy I purchased my phono-pre had an Ortofon Black and loved it. He could not stop talking about the cart. I could tell he was very happy. The Thorens have such a great following. I'm sure you know about the Thorens Dept. web site where they mod them till the end. I'm sure there is somebody around here who knows about the Pro-jects. Enjoy!
The guy I purchased my phono-pre had an Ortofon Black and loved it. He could not stop talking about the cart. I could tell he was very happy. The Thorens have such a great following. I'm sure you know about the Thorens Dept. web site where they mod them till the end. I'm sure there is somebody around here who knows about the Pro-jects. Enjoy!
calipilot227
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Last non-photo post, I promise!
The main problem with my TD-145 is the IsoTrack tonearm (MKII version), which limits the carts I can use. Not only to high-compliance carts, but it also eliminates the possibility of carts that thread screws from the top. Scratch the Ortofon 2M series and wood-body Grados off the list. Alignment is also especially difficult, since it is only possible to adjust overhang. I have a feeling my cart may be less than perfectly aligned, thus setting off my ever-present OCD.
If the tonearm of the Debut Carbon is good enough, and the Speedbox keeps hum and wow and flutter to an acceptable level, that may be the route I take. It may be a downgrade in the eyes of some, but I consider the convenience upgrade to be a strong point. Hopefully it comes without a sound quality downgrade.
Last non-photo post, I promise!
The main problem with my TD-145 is the IsoTrack tonearm (MKII version), which limits the carts I can use. Not only to high-compliance carts, but it also eliminates the possibility of carts that thread screws from the top. Scratch the Ortofon 2M series and wood-body Grados off the list. Alignment is also especially difficult, since it is only possible to adjust overhang. I have a feeling my cart may be less than perfectly aligned, thus setting off my ever-present OCD.
If the tonearm of the Debut Carbon is good enough, and the Speedbox keeps hum and wow and flutter to an acceptable level, that may be the route I take. It may be a downgrade in the eyes of some, but I consider the convenience upgrade to be a strong point. Hopefully it comes without a sound quality downgrade.
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You might take a look at these Pro-ject RPM 1.3 genie too.
It has a thick acrylic 33mm 2.8kg (6pnd) platter.
Same on Ebay with puck.
Pro-ject is cheaper with us in Europe unfortunately. Like you can buy VPI at bottom prices.
It has a thick acrylic 33mm 2.8kg (6pnd) platter.
Same on Ebay with puck.
Pro-ject is cheaper with us in Europe unfortunately. Like you can buy VPI at bottom prices.
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