Pimeta AD86x0 vs. LM617x comparo
Jun 24, 2006 at 1:18 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 10

quicksilver96

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I build a pimeta about a week ago or so and have been using the AD8610/20 combination since it was built. My LM6171/72s came in today so I took the liberty of doing a little comparison testing with a friend. The pimeta is running of 22V of STEPS power, has opamps biased to into class A, and is running stacked OPA634s in high BW mode. Was not running bass boost or crossfeed circuitry at the time of test. Headphones used in test were unmodified K701s, unmodified Senn 600s, recabled and Kramer modded KSC-75s (shame we couldn't field some grados too for the test...next purchase SR-225s...)

Chip impressions:
AD86x0 (~53mA @ Idle) -
K701s - Detailed, bright, slightly analytical sound, exhibited the K701s sparkle and instrument seperation very well (in a good way)

600s - Lifted a bit of the Senn veil that I remember, didn't really help the "3-blob" soundstage though IMHO, warm, not as bright and sparkly as the 701

75s - while these HP are good for the $ I really hate putting them in a comparo with these other 2 beasts as they sound a quite muddy at the bottom (especially after coming from 701s) and harsh at the top. The 86x0 really doesn't do anything to help these phones out.

LM617x (~51mA @ Idle) -
K701s - Helps bring out the bass impact in this phone at the expense of a little seperation and soundstage, warms and relaxes the sound

600s - A little to mellow for me, the upper bass and midrange seems a little too accentuated, really seemed veiled with this chip in, will say it complemented ambient jazz/electronica fairly nicely though.

KSC-75 - Holy bass, decent tempo, sound is very fun and amusing but sounds like someone cranked up the bass eq, smoothed out the harshness in the treble range, bassheads try this combo out. Might sound sweet (or rediculous) with beyer 770s if your into that
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Unless you are on a super tight budget, there is really no reason to prefer one of these chips over the other in terms of price vs performance. Personally I like the AD86x0 with my 701s, this may be too analytical for some people and the LM617x smooth this out and give a nice boost to what some would call a thin bass response on the 701s. The differences between the chips are not nearly as great as the differences between headphones but rolling opamps can help cause subtle changes to taylor a set of phones that are already close to your personal preference.

Edit - Anybody have any different buffer recommendations that are pin compatible with the OPA634?
 
Jun 24, 2006 at 7:07 AM Post #2 of 10
I assume you mean buf634 instead of opa634

did you adjust any resistor values with rolling in the LM617* and what DC offsets did you get with the bipolar opamps ?
 
Jun 27, 2006 at 5:44 PM Post #3 of 10
Yeah, thats BUF634.

With the LMs the offsets were 2.5mV on the left channel and 5.5mV on the right. The IG -> OG offset is .2mV. I made no changes to the circuit to facilitate the swap, figured I would just pull the 86x0 out of the sockets and troubleshoot any problems that arose. No oscillation, low enough(for bipolar) offsets, plugged in some junk HP (actually a set of ksc-75s...) and everything checked out. My resistor network has slightly different values than those listed on tangent's schematic but the gain was set at ~6 at the time of this test. I have since tried it with the x-feed and a gain of ~10 and have had no troubles.
 
Jun 27, 2006 at 6:53 PM Post #5 of 10
No input caps

Alps RK27 50k Pot

LR Channel Resistors -
G = 10
R1 - 4.02K
R2 - 1M
R3 - 681
R4 - 6.81K
R5 - 3.32K
R6 - 715K
R8 - 0
R10 - 1K
R11 - 110

Before the mod linkwitz x-feed, the gain was set at about 6.6 with a 4.02K resistor in the R4 position. All other values remained the same in both instances.

Ground Channel Resistors
R1 - 4.02K
R3 - INF (open)
R4 - 4.02K
R11 - 220
 
Jun 27, 2006 at 7:13 PM Post #6 of 10
Thanks. Without the input caps, are your DC offset measurements with the pot all the way down (counter-clockwise)? What does the offset look like at full volume?
 
Jun 27, 2006 at 8:21 PM Post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by quicksilver96
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Edit - Anybody have any different buffer recommendations that are pin compatible with the OPA634?



Check out this, particularly the last page. I've built some of these and used them in a Pimeta and liked them better than BUF634s. Mono has the template, or I can probably find it if you are interested... pretty easy to etch.
 
Jun 27, 2006 at 8:51 PM Post #10 of 10
I can imagine the LM6171/2 w/ BUF634s lays it on a bit thick. I don't think I'd pair those two, either, despite my general dislike for the 8620 compared to the 6172.
 

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