Onkyo DP-CMX1 GRANBEAT | Dual Dac | Balanced | Phone DAP

Sep 17, 2016 at 8:33 PM Post #31 of 800
Did you read Sony's description? 
They said they used a copper case because it enhances overall acoustics and sound quality.

This is the same thing which you can find on AK380 Copper's description. 

iRiver is charging $3999 for AK380 copper... while copper is even cheaper than stainless steel or aluminium. 

I found it to be surprising that Sony is comitting to this. Sony has Playstation, headphones, CD players and other legitimate businesses. They're real guys but now they're committing to a snake oil audiophile business which doesn't have any scientific foundation. 


i was to respond a long line, but if you cared, you would have known. But since you don't know what you are talking about, I am wasting time with a someone who has no interestes

Now, back to Onkyo, hopefully they can bring this into production as it is the prime time when Apple took away the 3.5 socket.
 
Sep 18, 2016 at 6:58 AM Post #32 of 800
Sony's new Copper / Gold 256GB player is certainly targeting AK380 Copper...

What's special with copper? copper is one of the cheapest materials in manufacturing industry. The amount of copper used for AK380 copper would barely costs $2.

It's like snake's oil.... I'm surprised Sony, which is a much better brand than iRiver, is committing to something like this. 


Isn't Sony said Gold-plated copper instead of copper?
 
Sep 18, 2016 at 7:39 AM Post #33 of 800
   
 
Did you read Sony's description? 
They said they used a copper case because it enhances overall acoustics and sound quality.
http://www.sony.com/electronics/walkman/nw-wm1z
 
"[size=17.03px]Discover the functional beauty of oxygen-free copper[/size]
The NW-WM1Z is fully encased in a high-grade gold-plated oxygen-free copper chassis. Widely used in instrument manufacturing, the copper lends the player its unique natural, acoustic sound. Its conductivity and raw strength reinforce the Walkman® with unrivalled audio performance."

 
This is the same thing which you can find on AK380 Copper's description. 
 
iRiver is charging $3999 for AK380 copper... while copper is even cheaper than stainless steel or aluminium. 
 
I found it to be surprising that Sony is comitting to this. Sony has Playstation, headphones, CD players and other legitimate businesses. They're real guys but now they're committing to a snake oil audiophile business which doesn't have any scientific foundation. 


You seem surprised , but Sony has already used this kind of nonsense in the past.
 
Don't know if you remember the Sony micro-sd card "designed for music", with lower electro-magnetic interferences leading to better music quality.
 
Same idiocy than saying that the chassis plays a role in SQ.
Reducing interferences and getting better EM insulation are good things for sure, and they play on this to make ambigous statements.
 
Look at the sentence, they say "audio performance", which could mean pretty much anything or nothing.
 
In the end, you're completely right, using copper for a chassis is just a disaster for the customer, because copper oxidizes quickly and is quite soft, so it will get damaged quicker.
Grounding doesn't require an extremely conductive metal, so having a aluminium or steel makes much more sense, and you can always improve the shielding efficacy by applying copper or gold threads/lacings inside the chassis. Aluminium-unibody smartphones already provides extremely good shileding and aluminium is much cheaper/easier to manufacture.
 
Pure marketing, but hey, A&K has sold a 3500$ DAP, followed by Cowon and more recently Opus (model 2), so why not Sony... They sold a 1200$ ZX2 in large quantities, so what's stopping them to increase pricing ?
Certainly not the 100 "rich" Head-Fiers believing in anything in the name of "SQ-god".
 
Nov 24, 2016 at 3:41 PM Post #38 of 800
I would absolutely love this to happen!

Yes, finally DAP and smartphone merge together... 
Honestly, I would need only minimum function of smartphone... I use a wi-fi text & phone app called Dingtone which you can call and text anyone for nearly free through wi-fi. 
That solves 99% phone needs for me.. if DP-X11 can run that app without an issue, I would just keep DP-X11 and throw away anything else. 
 
Nov 29, 2016 at 10:20 AM Post #41 of 800
Please have USB Dac functionality. Set a precedent!
 
Nov 30, 2016 at 5:23 AM Post #42 of 800
Probably never
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It's like waiting for the next Terrence Mallick film. :)
 
Jan 7, 2017 at 2:31 AM Post #43 of 800
CES 2017 confirmed

It is a phone
It has twin dac
It is Co-developed with Fuji tech
One sim one micro SD slot max 384gb
Front 16m pixels back 8m pixels camera

業界最高水準というDACとアンプを投入。ハイレゾ音源だけでなく、CDからリッピングした音源、圧縮音源、ストリーミング音源も高音質化して再生できる。FLAC、WAV、DSD、MQAの再生に対応。

 DAC部はTwin DAC構成で、バランス駆動を実現。2基のDACを搭載しており、デュアルDACとの違いは、シングルエンド接続時に片方を止めるのがTwin DAC、両方をパラレルで駆動するのがデュアルDACとなる。

 OSはAndroidで、Google Playに対応。デュアルSIMスロットを装備する。ディスプレイは5型で、タッチパネル液晶。背面には1,600万画素、前面には800万画素のカメラを搭載。

 microSDカードスロットも搭載しており、合計最大384GBのストレージ容量を誇る。Bluetooth、無線LANに対応。スピーカーやマイクも備えている。開発には、富士通コネクテッドテクノロジーズが協力している。

ハイレゾ対応小型プレーヤー

 オンキヨー、パイオニア両方のブランドから登場予定なのが、2.4型のタッチパネル液晶を備えた小型のハイレゾプレーヤー。ハイレゾ非対応のスマートフォンやプレーヤーを使っているユーザーに、ハイレゾを含む「すべての音楽ソースを手軽に、かつ高音質に楽しんでいただける小型でタッチパネルを採用し使いやすく持ち運びに便利なモデル」と位置づけられている。


オンキヨーの小型ハイレゾプレーヤー
 Twin DACを搭載したバランス駆動対応モデルで、FLAC、WAV、DSD、MQAの再生が可能。

 microSDカードスロットを2基搭載しており、ストレージ容量は最大416GBまで拡張で
 
Jan 7, 2017 at 3:09 AM Post #45 of 800
CES 2017 confirmed

It is a phone
It has twin dac
It is Co-developed with Fuji tech
One sim one micro SD slot max 384gb
Front 16m pixels back 8m pixels camera

業界最高水準というDACとアンプを投入。ハイレゾ音源だけでなく、CDからリッピングした音源、圧縮音源、ストリーミング音源も高音質化して再生できる。FLAC、WAV、DSD、MQAの再生に対応。

 DAC部はTwin DAC構成で、バランス駆動を実現。2基のDACを搭載しており、デュアルDACとの違いは、シングルエンド接続時に片方を止めるのがTwin DAC、両方をパラレルで駆動するのがデュアルDACとなる。

 OSはAndroidで、Google Playに対応。デュアルSIMスロットを装備する。ディスプレイは5型で、タッチパネル液晶。背面には1,600万画素、前面には800万画素のカメラを搭載。

 microSDカードスロットも搭載しており、合計最大384GBのストレージ容量を誇る。Bluetooth、無線LANに対応。スピーカーやマイクも備えている。開発には、富士通コネクテッドテクノロジーズが協力している。

ハイレゾ対応小型プレーヤー

 オンキヨー、パイオニア両方のブランドから登場予定なのが、2.4型のタッチパネル液晶を備えた小型のハイレゾプレーヤー。ハイレゾ非対応のスマートフォンやプレーヤーを使っているユーザーに、ハイレゾを含む「すべての音楽ソースを手軽に、かつ高音質に楽しんでいただける小型でタッチパネルを採用し使いやすく持ち運びに便利なモデル」と位置づけられている。


オンキヨーの小型ハイレゾプレーヤー
 Twin DACを搭載したバランス駆動対応モデルで、FLAC、WAV、DSD、MQAの再生が可能。

 microSDカードスロットを2基搭載しており、ストレージ容量は最大416GBまで拡張で

Finally my dream phone get in real life. Do u know how huge screen is?
 

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