Official Sony DMP-Z1 Thread

[gerelmx1986]

I wouldn’t worry about that at all…….just listen……& enjoy……

One queetion, the USB Cable is only for data/Dile transfers or it can also charge through the USB C port?

 

[Rob49]

One queetion, the USB Cable is only for data/Dile transfers or it can also charge through the USB C port?

I don’t actually know, but my guess is probably not ??

 

[gerelmx1986]

Currently listening to Mozart symphonies 1-4, 7 and 7a

 

[Rob49]

Currently listening to Mozart symphonies 1-4, 7 and 7a

…..no DSD Remastering on ?? I’d certainly give that a go, at some point….

 

[gerelmx1986]

…..no DSD Remastering on ?? I’d certainly give that a go, at some point….

I am trying it now ans certqinly like what i hear. I wikk akso try outthe DAC filters

 

[cat3600]

Make sure to use some kind of super soft cloth or gloves to touch the volume knob, I feel it picks up fine lines/scratches by just breathing on it, lol

 

[purk]

@gerelmx1986, congrats man. The DMP is a really special device! Have fun and welcome to a highend segment.

 

[gerelmx1986]

@gerelmx1986, congrats man. The DMP is a really special device! Have fun and welcome to a highend segment.

I qm liking what i hear so far. At the moment at times gets bass heavy eben with IER-M7 (could be bad deutsche grammophone mastering) perhaps still needs to blossom out more

 

[Rob49]

I qm liking what i hear so far. At the moment at times gets bass heavy eben with IER-M7 (could be bad deutsche grammophone mastering) perhaps still needs to blossom out more

For me, it was immediate ( & amazing ) that you’re hearing musical instruments & voices accurately for the very first time. The sounds, the textures, that you can actually feel & not just hear. It really is all about the resolution of this player & I believe that must be down to the magic of the components & DSD Remastering.

 

[Vamp898]

Just like how the TA compliments the IER and MDR as well. Having those cans makes it really hard to discern which device is better than the other. Still, the DMP is a collector piece, an eventual antique perhaps down the road

The DMP-Z1 is, of course, something different than the FiiO M17 for example.

Nobody will care about an M17 in most likely 5 years. Due to the shortage of AKM DACs FiiO kinda wants to make some of their products look like collector pieces (like the M11 Plus LTD or the K9 Pro), but AKM will recover, produce new DACs and then nobody will care about that old AKM DAC in the K9 Pro or M11 Plus LTD

It is actually pretty easy to create an device that produces an as perfect and flat/neutral sound as possible. But you don't buy an WM1Z, TA-ZH1ES or DMP-Z1 to mix/master/record music. You buy it to listen to music. If you hear an recording of an guitar, you don't want that it sounds like a recording, you want that it sounds like someone is sitting in front of you and is playing the actual guitar.

Sony does that with its unique technologies and most/mainly its self developed capacitors. The Sound of Sony devices is unique. The Sound of the FiiO M11 Plus LTD is the sound of THX AAA. Thats nothing bad, its just nothing special. Every company who builds an DAP and uses THX AAA Amps will most likely sound 99,9% identical.

That is why The M11 Plus LTD, M17 and so on are much cheaper. FiiO buys the hardware and tucks them together. It sounds and measures excellent, but natrual/flat/neutral.

The best sound is subjective, not objective. For me, i like Sonys Sound best. I play music myself and i know how instruments sound in real life. I want them to sound real when i listen to them and so far, only Sony devices gave me that.

There are technically better devices. The M17 is, on paper, better than the DMP-Z1 and i am sure it will measure much better. But if you listen to an recording of an guitar, with the DMP-Z1 it will sound like the guitar is really there. If you listen to it with the M17, it sounds like an perfect replication of an recording, but not an replication of the actual instrument. So for me, the DMP-Z1 (or WM1Z or TA-ZH1ES) is the winner.

 

[Vamp898]

For me, it was immediate ( & amazing ) that you’re hearing musical instruments & voices accurately for the very first time. The sounds, the textures, that you can actually feel & not just hear. It really is all about the resolution of this player & I believe that must be down to the magic of the components & DSD Remastering.

Its due to the choices of capacitors. Thats the typical Sound of Sony.

 

[cat3600]

Its due to the choices of capacitors. Thats the typical Sound of Sony.

Just curious if one changes the capacitor can we expect a different more neutral sound signature vs the typical Sony house sound. I know @Whitigir did it. I am OK with the Sony house sound but might want to try changing the capacitors in the future

 

[MrWalkman]

Just curious if one changes the capacitor can we expect a different more neutral sound signature vs the typical Sony house sound. I know @Whitigir did it. I am OK with the Sony house sound but might want to try changing the capacitors in the future

You could get a more refined sound, but contrary to what Sony claims, the sound signature characteristics in these Sony players are a result of brilliant sound processing by Sony.

Just try something like the WM1A/Z firmware on a small player like A55, for example, and you'll hear what I'm talking about.

Hardware has a small part in the resulting sound signature on these players.

Edit: It's honestly weird seeing Sony Walkman engineers talking about copper/aluminium chassis, certain wires, capacitors, and when you try something like what I suggested above, you realise that it's not really that much about that. Manually disabling sound processing in a WM1A/Z firmware brings out a very flat and uninteresting sound, while when the sound processing is on, the sound becomes alive.

Nonetheless, I am grateful for this. My WM1A sound amazingly good now, as well as my A45 and A55.

 

[Vamp898]

Just curious if one changes the capacitor can we expect a different more neutral sound signature vs the typical Sony house sound. I know @Whitigir did it. I am OK with the Sony house sound but might want to try changing the capacitors in the future

Yes and no.

You can and will change the sound, but Sony already decided how many capacitors are there in which constellation, so you're not completely free.

Even though some people have the balls to do so, I would not call the Walkman or DMP a modding device.

The capacitors are self developed and build by Sony Specifically for these devices. They tuned their capacititors for years.

You buy an device for the sound they produce.

You can exchange them and you will change the sound but I highly doubt it will be better than before.

I highly recommend against doing so, rather just get a different device in addition.

If you want a more flat/neutral version of the DMP-Z1, get the M17. It's cheap enough to just have both

The capacitor is the biggest influence to the sound of an amp. There are DIY Amplifier Kits you can buy to play around and you'll be surprised how changing one capacitor completely changed the whole sound signature.

Also with the ZX300 and WM1Z for example, sometimes you're able to play music when the capacitors are not fully charged (I think that's due to a bug in power saving)

If you experience this, you'll notice that in the begining the sound is pretty flat and lifeless and the more the capacitors are charged (takes a few seconds), it gets its typical sound.

 

[Whitigir]

Just curious if one changes the capacitor can we expect a different more neutral sound signature vs the typical Sony house sound. I know @Whitigir did it. I am OK with the Sony house sound but might want to try changing the capacitors in the future

Yes, it will have it “influences” on the performances.