[smokey]

Where are we going to war first, North Korea or Iraq? Do you instead hold out hope that we don't go to war anywhere, anytime soon?

I would have bet the farm on Iraq. However, North Korea expelled the UN Inspectors earlier today, and according to CNN a couple of minutes ago, are now moving machine guns into the DMZ, in direct violation of the '53 cease fire accord.

If you think this question is inappropriate because of the season, I apologize in advance.

 

[Ebonyks]

Personally, i see it happening in iraq. The current administration clearly has a desire for a regeime change in iraq, for several major reasons, including obtaining a cheap source for oil. The administration will move the focus away from korea until saddam has been taken care of.

Just my 2 cents

 

[peter braun]

 

[jlo mein]

I read some canadian paper about how President Bush is bringing up all this war talk to confuse people.

The real problem in the US is the totally diminishing economy this holiday season.

Bush is trying to divert ppl's attention away from the economy by all these talks of war.

 

[elnero]

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Originally posted by jlo mein I read some canadian paper about how President Bush is bringing up all this war talk to confuse people. The real problem in the US is the totally diminishing economy this holiday season. Bush is trying to divert ppl's attention away from the economy by all these talks of war.

War is also a great way to kickstart a lagging economy...

 

[eric343]

I think he's going to do SOME fighting no matter what. Or at least so say the rumors from the local military base...

 

[elipsis]

I'm pretty sure Australia is next in the "Axis of Evil" if neither of these countries ends up looking like a good fight.

 

[rickcr42]

well North Korea IS evil by any standard of the definition . And do not forget that there is only an "Armistace" between our countries . And has anyone payed actual attention to how many times the north has violated the pact ?
How about various tunnels to the south being discovered over the years . You think that is just a new trade route ?
And none of the "older folks" remember when about 20 years ago we some of our GIs hacked up with machettes while they were trimming branches to clear their fields of fire ? With NO FKN PENELTY !
Does anyone even give a **** how many "oops,sorry,didn't mean to kill your guys " actually take place in the DMZ ?
How about a really good buddy of mine was buried alive for four hours after taking a mortor hit on his OP IN ****ING PEACE TIME !
I work daily with this person , not ancient history .
Again no retaliation .

You should all be proud that there are those willing to sleep fully dressed on their rifles to attempt with piss poor rules of engagement to hold back the barbarian.

A million man standing army is not for display purposes and they are one of the few countries that would have NO compunction against actually using nukes . The other countries that would(Iraq for one) just don't have them yet.

But don't worry boys and girls , appease them now and they will . Then we can all sleep a lot better !

Yeah ,it's the economy stupid

pffft

 

[elipsis]

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Originally posted by rickcr42 well North Korea IS evil by any standard of the definition . And do not forget that there is only an "Armistace" between our countries . And has anyone payed actual attention to how many times the north has violated the pact ? How about various tunnels to the south being discovered over the years . You think that is just a new trade route ? And none of the "older folks" remember when about 20 years ago we some of our GIs hacked up with machettes while they were trimming branches to clear their fields of fire ? With NO FKN PENELTY ! Does anyone even give a **** how many "oops,sorry,didn't mean to kill your guys " actually take place in the DMZ ? How about a really good buddy of mine was buried alive for four hours after taking a mortor hit on his OP IN ****ING PEACE TIME ! I work daily with this person , not ancient history . Again no retaliation . You should all be proud that there are those willing to sleep fully dressed on their rifles to attempt with piss poor rules of engagement to hold back the barbarian. A million man standing army is not for display purposes and they are one of the few countries that would have NO compunction against actually using nukes . The other countries that would(Iraq for one) just don't have them yet. But don't worry boys and girls , appease them now and they will . Then we can all sleep a lot better ! Yeah ,it's the economy stupid pffft

 

[Peddler]

The problem is that our way of life is totally dependent on their misery. If we pay full market price for the things we practically steal off them we will not be able to afford anything any more.

Globalisation, greed and the need to maintain the current status quo is why this is happening. Let's face it, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Lybia etc etc all have weapons of mass destruction but only one country has ever used them en-mass against civilians - twice and that was against Hiroshima and Nagasaki!

Here in the UK a large proportion of Muslims feel that this is a war against their faith - whilst I don't think this is true myself I do feel that America, the UK and Europe as a whole don't really give a toss about them and feel that they are there to be exploited.

Sadly whilst America and Israel have utter psycho's in power the world will continue to be a dangerous place. They need to understand that this is not a war against a particular country - it's a war against a way of thinking.

 

[rickcr42]

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The problem is that our way of life is totally dependent on their misery. If we pay full market price for the things we practically steal off them we will not be able to afford anything any more.

Are you totally out of your FKN mind ?

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Globalisation, greed and the need to maintain the current status quo is why this is happening. Let's face it, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Lybia etc etc all have weapons of mass destruction but only one country has ever used them en-mass against civilians - twice and that was against Hiroshima and Nagasaki!

Someone forget to let you in on the fact that we were at war man ?
And THAT WAR started with a bushwhack at a little place called pearl harbor ?
And while dropping the big one was not pretty it DID end a war that would have gone onfor many years ?

And outof the countries you listed that have nukes who do YOU fear ?
The US ? Israel ?
Yeah , run and hide-the bad ole USA is coming to the UK .

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Sadly whilst America and Israel have utter psycho's in power the world will continue to be a dangerous place. They need to understand that this is not a war against a particular country - it's a war against a way of thinking.

I will not even respond to that .

 

[myself, aka me]

heh, we're doomed!

 

[Snufkin]

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It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference. This is not to say that either the conduct of war, or the prevailing attitude towards it, has become less bloodthirsty or more chivalrous. On the contrary, war hysteria is continuous and universal in all countries, and such acts as raping, looting, the slaughter of children, the reduction of whole populations to slavery, and reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal, and, when they are committed by one's own side and not by the enemy, meritorious. But in a physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly-trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or round the Floating Fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes. In the centres of civilization war means no more than a continuous shortage of consumption goods, and the occasional crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths. War has in fact changed its character. More exactly, the reasons for which war is waged have changed in their order of importance. Motives which were already present to some small extent in the great wars of the early twentieth century have now become dominant and are consciously recognized and acted upon.

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It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same—everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same—people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world.

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Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms—one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended.

http://www.gerenser.com/1984/quote.html
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/


Have a read sometime.

It's not what might happen, it's what has already happened and is happening right now while everyone ignores it. Newspeak, cameras watching you, an ongoing war away from home, being considered an outcast (or even punished/disappeared) for thinking differently.

No conspiracies here people, reality - the calendar says 2002 (at least for a few more days) but for all we know it could be 1984.

A war is a great excuse to take attention off the problems at home.

As kids and in cartoons it's as simple as "look over there!" *run*
Adults don't fall for that trick so often, but a war is different.

 

[rickcr42]

point being ?

North Korea is not a good neighbor by anyones definition . If it was a person and lived next door you would probably put the house up for sale .

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The problem is that our way of life is totally dependent on their misery. If we pay full market price for the things we practically steal off them we will not be able to afford anything any more.

I LOVE this line , should be on a monument somewhere .
What does NK export other than Scuds ? I miss something ?

Iraq ?
Oil of course , which brings in a tidy sum allowing obviously enough loot to pursue weapons programs but not enough for food to feed the hungry .
Funny .
I always thought food was cheaper than guns .

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Here in the UK a large proportion of Muslims feel that this is a war against their faith - whilst I don't think this is true myself I do feel that America, the UK and Europe as a whole don't really give a toss about them and feel that they are there to be exploited.

Exploited in what way ?
How ?
I am truly baffled by this statement , really .
I am not a retard but I fail to see where muslims are exploited .

Unless you are talking about by their OWN RULERS ! seems to be no lack of loot ,only a lack of dispersal

 

[Peddler]

Cash crops for the west.

Debt repayments for farm machinery that they didn't need - except for the production of cash crops for ourselves.

Residual effects of colonisation.

I agree - I would rather have the US or even Israel as a neighbour rather than IRAQ or North Korea. You have to understand though that this reality has two clear and distinct truths - one from the leaders of a country and one from the people of a country.

War is only ever caused by rulers and leaders - rarely by the people themselves. Ask anyone in any country (including many of those in the military) if they want war and the answer will be no.

The fact remains that the side of the planet which has the most wealth is predominently Christian whereas the side which has the least is Muslim or rapidly converting to Islam.

Perhaps it was a bit strong calling the Presidents of the US and Israel psycho's but the fact remains that much of this trouble was caused by the Israeli leader visiting a holy site and upsetting a whole lot of people unnecessarily.

I think Saddam is a nutter too. But he's definitely not the only one out there with weapons of mass destruction - they all have them.