NG Audio - new high-end IEM and CIEM company with some pretty intriguing designs

Oct 27, 2016 at 5:18 PM Post #16 of 36
 
These look interesting, but nothing about the design seems revolutionary (which is true for most realses, so nothing wrong here per se). I guess time will tell if these truly are top tier or if they are just another one shot to dust IEM. Now, if I consistently hear something like "these blow the K10s out of the water", THEN we have something potentially epic. But for now, would need more impressions after new toy syndrome has worn off.

I think we need a revolution in tuning, not necessarily in actual design. We have clearly figure out how to use many drivers, now we need to figure out how to completely leverage them.

 
I would consider Ken's latest Vega single dynamic driver to be quite revolutionary, and ADEL modules from Asius (with their previous collaboration w/64audio and now w/Empire Ears) are a breath of fresh air "for your ears"
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  I'm also very impressed with a tuning of triple driver UERR or a dual drivers from Savant and Pristine-R.  At the same time, the coherency of 14driver Zeus-R (anxiously waiting for Zeus XR Adel) is nothing short of being amazing.  Plus, Audeze iSine open back in-ear planar - funky design, but definitely a serious innovation.  Even Westone W80, maybe not a revolutionary tuning, but I'm still puzzled how the heck did they stuff 8 BA drivers into that tiny shell?
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Oct 27, 2016 at 5:22 PM Post #17 of 36
I think we need a revolution in tuning, not necessarily in actual design. We have clearly figure out how to use many drivers, now we need to figure out how to completely leverage them.


Well I have some ideas at hand, like emulating speaker-setups and put them into an IEM form-factor. (e.g. a 4 dynamic driver IEM; 2x2 push-pull)
Tuning is truly key right now, albeit we should focus on mechanical components before we tackle fancy 4th order crossovers. I don't think we need a revolution though. It's more about gradually making more efficient designs; improving things like THD+N. We are on a good way, let's just not force the issue.
 
Oct 27, 2016 at 5:31 PM Post #18 of 36
These look interesting, but nothing about the design seems revolutionary (which is true for most realses, so nothing wrong here per se). I guess time will tell if these truly are top tier or if they are just another one shot to dust IEM. Now, if I consistently hear something like "these blow the K10s out of the water", THEN we have something potentially epic. But for now, would need more impressions after new toy syndrome has worn off.

 
 
I'm not the type to go crazy with new things blowing older things out the water.... especially when the K10 remains one of my all time favorites. But this Capricorn is pretty high up there, in K10 territory along with Zeus R, Jomo 6R, and maybe Lear BD4.2. Better than all of those? No, that would be crazy hype. Better than some of them in some ways? Definitely. Still working on specifics though.
 
New toy syndrome doesn't tend to work for me either - way too much stuff blowing through here to really get excited, unless something is really worth it. And I believe this one is. 
 
   
I would consider Ken's latest Vega single dynamic driver to be quite revolutionary, and ADEL modules from Asius (with their previous collaboration w/64audio and now w/Empire Ears) are a breath of fresh air "for your ears"
wink.gif
  I'm also very impressed with a tuning of triple driver UERR or a dual drivers from Savant and Pristine-R.  At the same time, the coherency of 14driver Zeus-R (anxiously waiting for Zeus XR Adel) is nothing short of being amazing.  Plus, Audeze iSine open back in-ear electrostats - funky design, but definitely a serious innovation.  Even Westone W80, maybe not a revolutionary tuning, but I'm still puzzled how the heck did they stuff 8 BA drivers into that tiny shell?
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The iSince is planar magnetic, not electrostatic, but very good points here. More drivers can be good or just "meh" and lower driver count can be done amazingly well too - or not. Tuning is key, along with other aspects like build quality, consistency, customer service, price, etc.
 
Oct 27, 2016 at 5:42 PM Post #19 of 36
 
   
I would consider Ken's latest Vega single dynamic driver to be quite revolutionary, and ADEL modules from Asius (with their previous collaboration w/64audio and now w/Empire Ears) are a breath of fresh air "for your ears"
wink.gif
  I'm also very impressed with a tuning of triple driver UERR or a dual drivers from Savant and Pristine-R.  At the same time, the coherency of 14driver Zeus-R (anxiously waiting for Zeus XR Adel) is nothing short of being amazing.  Plus, Audeze iSine open back in-ear electrostats - funky design, but definitely a serious innovation.  Even Westone W80, maybe not a revolutionary tuning, but I'm still puzzled how the heck did they stuff 8 BA drivers into that tiny shell?
beerchug.gif

 
The iSince is planar magnetic, not electrostatic, but very good points here. More drivers can be good or just "meh" and lower driver count can be done amazingly well too - or not. Tuning is key, along with other aspects like build quality, consistency, customer service, price, etc.

 
Of course, iSine is Audeze signature planar magnetic.  Sorry, had a brain fart.  I was thinking about Shure KSE1500 electrostatics (another portable innovation) as I was typing about iSine
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Oct 27, 2016 at 6:01 PM Post #20 of 36
   
I would consider Ken's latest Vega single dynamic driver to be quite revolutionary, and ADEL modules from Asius (with their previous collaboration w/64audio and now w/Empire Ears) are a breath of fresh air "for your ears"
wink.gif
  I'm also very impressed with a tuning of triple driver UERR or a dual drivers from Savant and Pristine-R.  At the same time, the coherency of 14driver Zeus-R (anxiously waiting for Zeus XR Adel) is nothing short of being amazing.  Plus, Audeze iSine open back in-ear planar - funky design, but definitely a serious innovation.  Even Westone W80, maybe not a revolutionary tuning, but I'm still puzzled how the heck did they stuff 8 BA drivers into that tiny shell?
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I didn't really mean to come off as saying we don't have good tuning at TOTL levels from these Western IEM giants; no doubt in my mind they are extremely well made. I was more reffering to the myriads of IEM makers who are indulging in the driver-wars without paying nearly as much attention to the tuning they give their products.
 
My current top-2 IEMs (based on my limited experience) the Accutone Pisces BA, a dual-driver hybrid, and the C&M 01'16, a single DD IEM.
 
But yes, you are correct. I to have no idea as to how Westone performs the magic it regularly does.
 
Oct 29, 2016 at 5:38 AM Post #21 of 36
   
 
I'm not the type to go crazy with new things blowing older things out the water.... especially when the K10 remains one of my all time favorites. But this Capricorn is pretty high up there, in K10 territory along with Zeus R, Jomo 6R, and maybe Lear BD4.2. Better than all of those? No, that would be crazy hype. Better than some of them in some ways? Definitely. Still working on specifics though.
 
New toy syndrome doesn't tend to work for me either - way too much stuff blowing through here to really get excited, unless something is really worth it. And I believe this one is. 
 
 
 
The iSince is planar magnetic, not electrostatic, but very good points here. More drivers can be good or just "meh" and lower driver count can be done amazingly well too - or not. Tuning is key, along with other aspects like build quality, consistency, customer service, price, etc.

 
How is it tuned vs the K10 though?
 
Oct 29, 2016 at 3:40 PM Post #22 of 36
   
How is it tuned vs the K10 though?

 
 
Some similarity overall, especially in the killer low-end performance. But the Capricorn tuning up top is a bit more extended, airy, spacious, maybe like what the Katana is shooting for. I haven't heard Katana so no way to know for myself but that's what I imagine based on what I've read. 
 
Haven't had a lot of listening time this week but I will definitely do more direct comparisons when I get a moment. 
 
Nov 2, 2016 at 3:52 PM Post #23 of 36
I've discovered the joys of variable sound based on different tips being used..... this makes it that much more complicated to nail down the character of the Capricorn. Triple flange tips give me a more light weight, vocal oriented presentation, with excellent resolution and fast, tight bass. I really like the sound but not so much the comfort. Need to find some foam tips as that should be a good indicator of how the custom version sounds (give or take). 
 
Nov 8, 2016 at 3:09 AM Post #24 of 36
So I'm back to the included Large tips again, after wandering all over my collection with many other types. I've decided the included Large gives me the most balanced sound, and the deepest bass rumble (not the most prominent bass, but perhaps the most convincing). This thing is up there with the best when it comes to really exceptional low-end response from a BA design. Very impressive stuff. 
 
I'm using the Capricorn with the Questyle QP1R, and it sounds phenomenal. Actually reminds me quite a bit of the Empire Ears Zeus R.... mine is back at Empire for an update so I can't compare them directly, but from memory it's definitely in the same sonic family. Eva Cassidy, King Crimson, Marvin Gaye, Elvin Jones, Iced Earth, Genesis - these things sounds great with all sorts of genres. I've got an expensive rig with a B.M.C. UltraDAC balanced out to an HD800 and LCD3 and HE1000 right next to me, and I can't even be bothered to boot up the Aurender server because this little QP1R/Capricorn duo is just so satisfying. 
 
I keep telling myself to get some comparisons done with my K10, JH13 FP, UM Merlin, and other well-known models so people have a point of reference. But every time I put these in I forget about analytical listening and just start to relax. I guess that's a good sign though, right?
 
Nov 8, 2016 at 8:15 AM Post #25 of 36
  So I'm back to the included Large tips again, after wandering all over my collection with many other types. I've decided the included Large gives me the most balanced sound, and the deepest bass rumble (not the most prominent bass, but perhaps the most convincing). This thing is up there with the best when it comes to really exceptional low-end response from a BA design. Very impressive stuff. 
 
I'm using the Capricorn with the Questyle QP1R, and it sounds phenomenal. Actually reminds me quite a bit of the Empire Ears Zeus R.... mine is back at Empire for an update so I can't compare them directly, but from memory it's definitely in the same sonic family. Eva Cassidy, King Crimson, Marvin Gaye, Elvin Jones, Iced Earth, Genesis - these things sounds great with all sorts of genres. I've got an expensive rig with a B.M.C. UltraDAC balanced out to an HD800 and LCD3 and HE1000 right next to me, and I can't even be bothered to boot up the Aurender server because this little QP1R/Capricorn duo is just so satisfying. 
 
I keep telling myself to get some comparisons done with my K10, JH13 FP, UM Merlin, and other well-known models so people have a point of reference. But every time I put these in I forget about analytical listening and just start to relax. I guess that's a good sign though, right?

 
Exactly how I felt when I was testing/reviewing Zeus-R, and likewise waiting for my XR Adel "refresh" now
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  Definitely curious about Capricorn, though pinging NG went into a black hole...
 
Nov 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM Post #26 of 36
   
Exactly how I felt when I was testing/reviewing Zeus-R, and likewise waiting for my XR Adel "refresh" now
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  Definitely curious about Capricorn, though pinging NG went into a black hole...

 
 
Glad to hear I'm not the only one....
 
It sounds so easy, just listen and report what you hear. But it's not!
 
Aug 26, 2024 at 3:59 PM Post #27 of 36

NGaudio Metis|Metis 10 drivers hybrid headphones​

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Metis (Greek: Μῆτις), in ancient Greek mythology , is an Oceanids , the first wife of Zeus , the mother of the god of war Athena , and is often considered to have Superior strategy and planning power are also regarded as symbols of intelligence and wisdom.

Superior wisdom is not only closely related to years of ingenuity and study , but sometimes it is also inseparable from the sudden inspiration of a certain moment. The establishment of the Metis project can be said to be both inevitable and accidental in the development history of the NGAudio product line . To say it is inevitable is because it has been more than four years since the birth of NGAudio’s last ten-thousand-dollar IEM product , the Chronos; to say it is accidental , it is because the original unit structure and sound direction of Metis were based on the work of an NG tuner . A flash of inspiration occurred in the afternoon of the same day , and within six hours , the Metis prototype was born. And this is also the origin of a mysterious model codenamed "Six Hours" circulated in the industry when Metis was born . In addition to referring to the name of the ancient Greek goddess of wisdom , Metis also means "Metis" in French , which refers to an Aboriginal group in Canada with mixed ancestry of Aboriginal and French Canadians.

"Wisdom, inspiration, fusion, inheritance" , they are not only the foundation for NGAudio to create a "realized" sound , but also an important catalyst for the "super-sense new sound" of the new product Metis.
Product features
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Already reached the realm of enlightenment
After the hard work of the NG engineering team day and night , the configuration of NG Metis has evolved from the initial "six hours" of initial inspiration to "unilateral 2DD, 6BA and 2 electrostatic" , with ten units and four-way splitting. of design.

From the perspective of unit architecture , compared with the five-unit configuration of 1 moving coil, 2 moving irons, and 2 electrostatic units on one side of NGAudio's million-yuan product "Chronos" launched four years ago , it has undergone countless improvements and has also completed a qualitative transformation. Among them , the moving iron adopts a configuration of 4 mid-frequency (BA) and 2 mid-high frequency (BA) (inherited from the same design of NG audio's super flagship Erebus).

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This time, in terms of low frequency , a new self-developed coaxial strong magnetic super-sensing dual dynamic speaker patented technology has been added. Improved on the basis of the original technology , the unit bracket is made of aluminum alloy material CNC , so that the bass texture of the double moving coil has a deeper dive and excellent instant response than the widely used resin bracket before . state , and clearer hierarchical expression.

"Zhen", as one of the synonyms of NG tuning , is inherited from the flagship Erebus' "dark to mellow" . In NG's creation concept based on Metis , it has once again been perfectly presented. Its tone is both rich and loose , and the three-band connection is extremely smooth , but not warm and sticky. Although the overall quality is somewhat compromised compared to the leading super-flagship , in terms of tuning , it is a new work by NAudio that draws on the strengths of others . This is the "transformation state".
Super sensory new sound
NGaudio Metis' crossover uses a four-layer circuit board process with 1 ounce of copper thickness and 2μ immersion gold; its high-frequency electrostatic sound tube adopts a semicircular design to increase the tube area. The use of these high-end craftsmanship and original technologies has enabled Metis to inherit and evolve the NG gene in terms of tuning and sound direction , which is the "new sound".

As a new product of NGAudio , the main characteristics of Metis in terms of timbre are firstly manifested in the transcendent sense of spatial layering . This not only makes the position of instruments clearer when playing back symphonic tracks , but also makes the dynamic atmosphere of the music itself more vivid . It is resplendent; at the same time , when playing back pop music dominated by human voices , it can support the singer's voice image more clearly.

Secondly , based on the unique high-texture low frequency , Metis has a very healthy pyramid-shaped low, middle and high three-frequency distribution , which can effectively highlight the authoritativeness of classical compilation repertoire , and can also make the song more popular when interpreting pop music with complex accompaniment background . The listener's voice always maintains a mellow and full playback listening experience. To sum up , this is "super-sense".

Metis is not only the blockbuster new product launched by NGaudio in the 10,000 yuan market after four years , but also a technical exploration of NG's accumulated research and innovation experience in the development of the super flagship IEM market , and Supplemented by unique industrial innovation , it aims to present A Tuning of Transcendence gorgeously to the majority of high-end IEMs and music lovers .

About panels and cavities
The Metis Hong Kong specific version adopts a transparent cavity body design . The neatly arranged internal headphone units and circuit boards are clearly visible . It is also paired with a light blue gradient panel with dark stripes , giving it an elegant and fresh texture. Based on the research and adjustment of a large amount of private mold contour data , a new generation of NGAudio's ergonomic male mold cavity was born. Its contours can adapt to more users with different auricle shapes , bringing users better fit and sound. conduction.

At the same time , NGaudio's newly developed earmuffs further enhance the overall wearing comfort , ensuring that Metis achieves a true combination of sound types.

Specification
design
Low frequency × 2 | Medium frequency × 4 | Mid-high frequency × 2 | High frequency × 2 (4-way crossover design)





Units:
Moving coil unit (DD) × 2
Moving iron unit (BA) × 6
Electrostatic unit (EST) × 2

frequency response:
20~20000Hz

Sensitivity:
99db SPL@100mV/RMS

impedance:
25Ω

Price:
12.800HK$
~1640US$


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METIS, Metis (Greek: Μῆτις), in ancient Greek mythology, is an Oceanid, the first wife of Zeus, and the mother of the god of war Athena. She is often considered to have superior strategies and planning abilities, and is also regarded as a symbol of intelligence and wisdom.

Superior wisdom is not only closely related to years of ingenuity and research, but sometimes it is also inseparable from a moment of inspiration. The establishment of the METIS project can be said to be both inevitable and accidental in the development history of the NGaudio product line. It is inevitable because it has been more than four years since the birth of NGaudio's last 10,000 yuan IEM product, Chronos; it is accidental because the initial unit structure and sound direction of Metis were based on the inspiration of the NG tuner one afternoon, and then within six hours, the prototype of Metis was born. This is also the origin of a mysterious model code-named "Six Hours" circulating in the industry at the beginning of the birth of Metis.

METIS, in addition to referring to the name of the ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, also means "Métis" in French, referring to an indigenous group in Canada with mixed ancestry of indigenous people and French Canadians.

"Wisdom, inspiration, fusion, and inheritance" are not only the basis for NGaudio to create a "perfect" sound, but also an important catalyst for the "super-sensory new sound" of the new product Metis.


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After

hard work by the NG engineering team day and night, the configuration of NG Metis has evolved from the initial "six hours" inspiration to the final version of "single-sided 2 dynamic coils 6 balanced armatures 2 electrostatics", a ten-unit four-way split design. From the perspective of unit architecture, compared with the five-unit configuration of NGaudio's 10,000 yuan product Chronos, which was launched four years ago, there is a significant improvement and a qualitative transformation.

Among them, the balanced armature adopts a configuration of 4 intermediate frequencies (BA) and 2 mid-high frequencies (BA) (the same design as the NG audio super flagship Erebus).


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This time, in terms of low frequency, a new self-developed patented technology of coaxial strong magnetic super-sensing dual dynamic speaker is added. Based on the original technology, the unit bracket is made of aluminum alloy CNC, so that the bass texture of the dual dynamic coil has a deeper dive, excellent transient, and clearer layer performance compared to the previously widely used resin bracket.

"Zhen", as one of the synonyms of NG tuning, is inherited from the "Zhen Black and Pure" of the flagship Erebus. In NG's creative concept based on Metis, it has been perfectly presented again. Its tone is both rich and loose, and the three-frequency connection is extremely smooth, but not warm and sticky. Although the overall quality is compromised compared to the flagship, in terms of tuning, it is a new work of NGaudio that draws on the strengths of many others, which is the "transformation".

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The crossover of the super-sensing new sound


NGaudio Metis adopts a four-layer circuit board process with 1 ounce copper thickness and 2μ immersion gold; its high-frequency electrostatic sound tube adopts a semicircular design to increase the tube area. The use of these high-end processes and original technologies has enabled Metis to inherit and evolve the NG gene in terms of tuning and sound direction, which is the "new sound".

As a new product of NGaudio, the main feature of Metis in terms of timbre is first manifested in the transcendent sense of spatial hierarchy, which is not only reflected in the clearer position of the instruments when playing back symphonic repertoires, but also makes the dynamic atmosphere of the music itself more magnificent; at the same time, when playing back pop music dominated by human voice, it can support the singer's voice image more clearly.

Secondly, based on the unique high-textured low frequency, Metis has a very healthy pyramid-shaped low, medium and high frequency distribution, which can effectively set off the authoritative sense of classical compilation repertoires, and can also make the singer's voice always maintain a round and full playback listening experience when performing pan-pop music with complex accompaniment backgrounds. In summary, this is "super sense".


Metis is not only a blockbuster new product launched by NGaudio in the 10,000 yuan range after four years, but also a technical exploration of NG's accumulated R&D experience in the development of the ultra-flagship IEM market, supplemented by unique industrial innovation, aiming to present A Tuning of Transcendence gorgeously to the majority of high-end IEM and music lovers.



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About the panel and cavity, Metis has a brand new Artwork panel this time; the public model is available in three colors: "pink, purple, and blue-green". Based on the research and adjustment of a large amount of private model contour data, NGaudio's new generation of ergonomic public mold cavity was born. Its contour can adapt to more users with different ear shapes, bringing users better fit and sound conduction. At the same time, NGaudio's newly developed earmuffs also further enhance the overall wearing comfort, ensuring that Metis has both sound and shape in the true sense. Headphone parameters











NG audio METIS
10- unit crossover
Headphone unit distribution: 2 low frequency (DD) , 4 mid-frequency (BA) , 2 mid-high frequency (BA) , 2 high frequency (EST)
4- way audio design
Impedance: 25Ω1Khz
Sensitivity: 99db SPL@100m V RMS
Sound insulation effect 26db(CM)
Frequency response: 20-20Khz
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