NEW Spiderman 3 trailer

[Zanth]

To be fair, Spiderman was never "evil" when he was wearing the black suit, it was more that he recognized the suit was OC over him. He goes to the church, does the bell thing (because the alien is weak to sonic damage) and Brock comes in some time around then and merges with the alien because they both now have an utter hatred for Peter. The funny thing is that later in the comics, the alien's OCness over Spidey comes into play again and the suit chooses Peter over Eddie, so really, Toby doesn't need to be evil, however Topher does need to be, that and about 6" taller and 250 lbs heavier. They should have hired that guy who played "The Marine" at least he looked the part.

 

[Chiliman]

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Originally Posted by Zanth To be fair, Spiderman was never "evil" when he was wearing the black suit, it was more that he recognized the suit was OC over him. He goes to the church, does the bell thing (because the alien is weak to sonic damage) and Brock comes in some time around then and merges with the alien because they both now have an utter hatred for Peter. The funny thing is that later in the comics, the alien's OCness over Spidey comes into play again and the suit chooses Peter over Eddie, so really, Toby doesn't need to be evil, however Topher does need to be, that and about 6" taller and 250 lbs heavier. They should have hired that guy who played "The Marine" at least he looked the part.

I am interested to see how they actually introduce the alien into the movie, prolly just some meteor or something.

I personally loved both spiderman movies, I had no complaints about either.

In regards to the 'cheesy' scenes... the movies are based off of a comic book, it would be ridiculous to think that there would not be cheesy scenes.

 

[puiah11]

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Originally Posted by Zanth To be fair, Spiderman was never "evil" when he was wearing the black suit, it was more that he recognized the suit was OC over him. He goes to the church, does the bell thing (because the alien is weak to sonic damage) and Brock comes in some time around then and merges with the alien because they both now have an utter hatred for Peter. The funny thing is that later in the comics, the alien's OCness over Spidey comes into play again and the suit chooses Peter over Eddie, so really, Toby doesn't need to be evil, however Topher does need to be, that and about 6" taller and 250 lbs heavier. They should have hired that guy who played "The Marine" at least he looked the part.

Exactly.

But magneto in the comic books is a hulking big man. Yet they chose a rather old actor to play the part.

Thomas Hayden Church supposedly pumped up for 16 months to get his body right.

It'd be hard to find someone who could play the venom brock symbiosis. Perhaps some WWE wrestler. Edge would have been a good choice.

Also consider in X3 how they didn't explain how the phoenix was an alien life form and instead chose to portray the mutation as a class 5 thing and it was there from her birth.

In the comics she got it on re-entering the earth atmosphere or something like that I can't remember. Also she dies on the moon as far as I remember.

 

[Zanth]

It is this idea of following the Ultimate line of comics vs. the originals. I enjoyed X1, X2 I liked the opening scene and that was about it...and X3...save for the bridge scene, I despised it. Completely ruined what I grew up with. Of course, it is hard to hate something that so perfectly cast Professor X, but otherwise, I feel the X movies have been a let down. Spiderman on the other hand has been quite good for an action movie, but the casting of Venom is just horrible.

 

[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by uzziah honestly that looks very weird and rather lame; i love venom, very cool, but that just looks incredibly weird; sandman is a terribly difficult villian to relate to, i mean the ****er is made of SAND........tom church is cool but he doesn't seem much of a villian in the trailer, seems rather weak-minded, not threatening; i don't know, it looks rather lame to me

Whats lame is having the director portray the villans as victims themselves, so you can feel sorry for them..

 

[will75]

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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice Whats lame is having the director portray the villans as victims themselves, so you can feel sorry for them..

I noticed this in the trailer with Sandman. I think that's an interesting take to do it with one of the villians but not all.

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Originally Posted by Zanth and X3...save for the bridge scene, I despised it. Completely ruined what I grew up with.

I was definitely not happy with how many they killed off in X3. While the movie was enjoyable, the somewhat ruined or at least darkened the feel of the entire trilogy with this one.

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Originally Posted by Zanth Spiderman on the other hand has been quite good for an action movie, but the casting of Venom is just horrible.

I've always felt this way about Toby. I still can't get completely past this when watching the movies. Doesn't stand in the way too much though, they are still fun to watch.

 

[puiah11]

^ Well. Supposedly Professor X transfered his consciousness to his comatose twin. Also, it has been said that Magneto has only temporaily lost his powers and that the mutant 'cure' is only a temporary thing for higher level mutants.

Plus you never see Scott's dead body as far as I remember. Also it may be possible that mystique gets her powers back but who knows.

Also in the X3 commentary I remember hearing that Anna Paquin herself didn't want her character to take the cure.

To compile the X3 shame they supposedly cut out many more meaningful scenes such as the romance between Storm and Wolverine.

One of the producers said he would have liked to have seen the movie completely different but the other more vocal producer (basically a talking head studio executive type who knows d!ck about comics) said she prefered the way the movie was cut.

I don't know. I think Spider Man 2 was better than Spider Man 1. I really liked the extended dinner scene between Dr. Oc and Peter Parker.

Plus it was good to see how the downturn of Harry happens. Plus Spidey gets the girl. Also Molina is a great villian and the elevated train sequence was awesome.

I guess we could go on and on about how the movies are different from the comics but the director of X3 said himself he needed to bring the comics down to a 'doable' level, something 'human' he said.

I'm hoping SM 3 will be great. Plus Parker apparently gets involved with another girl.

How you could cheat on someone as hot as Kirsten Dunst escapes me. It's probably when he's mind melded with the alien and he makes him do all sorts of odd ****.

 

[Zanth]

Heh, I really enjoy discussing comic related stuff. Since being married, my comic book buying has been limited to a single title (though I sporadically buy TPB's) and as such my X-titles took a dive. Too many, too pricey and all that. I had collected X-titles and Spidey titles from 85 or so until nearly 2000. It hurts to see what has happened (at least with the movies).

Toby would not have been my first choice, or my 100th...but I don't think he is gawd awful just okay. I don't think he adds to the character, but I don't think he takes much away, so I stay neutral there. Dunst is "okay" as well, but I have been continually impressed with Franco (though I am a Franco fan). In terms of the Hobgoblin, the way they have written up Franco's despair is perfectly in line with the original plot line, though once again revamped based on this Ultimate Spidey bit.

The X movies were even worse off. Though Cyclops was in my opinion a neutral casting (he is not horrid, looks like Scott could/would look) Storm was the worst pick in the history of casting. Halle can't act even marginally in comic related features. Strike 1. Halle can't act. Strike 2. Halle may be the worst female actor outside of softcore **** films, and even then... Strike 3. Iman should have been cast or someone who looked like Iman, held herself like Iman and spoke like Iman.

The special effects have been fantastic, the first film was the best story execution, the second...bringing in Phoenix...a sham in my opinion, there is no way to adequately do that story line in less than a trilogy and the way they wrote it up in 3, with it being this Omega power bit...blah, just suckage. I know they really wanted to keep Halle so they gave her a greater role, and well, the film took a hit because of it.

Because of the age of Professor X, I didn't mind a comparable age for Magneto, though I do agree, Magneto is usually a hulking mass (unless he pads

). But at least these guys are both stellar actors. Wolverine was okay, I like him usually, obviously at 6'2" the height was all wrong, De Niro would have been great, I remember a pic Wizard released back in the 90's showing what De Niro could look like as Wolverine...wow, just wow.

I don't have preconceived notions that a film will match nearly a half-century of story, character development and total awesomeness, but with so many things they could have gone with...they just botched it in my opinion. For instance, given the entire idea of the gov wanting to take out the mutants, they should have done the Sentinel thing full on. THAT would have been great and that could have been done in a single film, or even over 2. It would have been great, would have been consistent with the opening scene of the first film (Nazi camp) etc. They made massive bucks because the films were about the X-Men, kinda like how Lucas made billions on the recent Star Wars Trilogy. Had this been released without the hype of the originals...these would have faltered after the first botched job...or at least only been around 100-150 million (typical for summer blockbusters) but each film at 1/2 a billion or so?

Anyhow, I will see Spiderman 3, I will undoubtedly enjoy a good part of it, leaving my brain at the door and just watching remarkable CGI and my hankering for Peter to let MJ know his true feelings. Yeah, I'm a sorry sap for that crap.

 

[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by will75 I noticed this in the trailer with Sandman. I think that's an interesting take to do it with one of the villians but not all. I was definitely not happy with how many they killed off in X3. While the movie was enjoyable, the somewhat ruined or at least darkened the feel of the entire trilogy with this one. I've always felt this way about Toby. I still can't get completely past this when watching the movies. Doesn't stand in the way too much though, they are still fun to watch.

Yeah.. The green Goblin had split personality problems.. DR OC was being controlled by the chip in his spinal cord.. & Now the sandman.. I wish the director stayed more true with the comic books. I don't like feeling sorry for my villians.. The trailer rocked though.. & I always loved the sandman & Rhino. But I feel the guy who played in the transporter looks more like the sandman , inregards to the comic book portrayl.

 

[lumanogin]

Yea I remember those Casting Calls in Wizard magazine back in the 90's. They put Howie Long for Eddie Brock (Venom). Matches up perfectly. And Nikki Cox for MJ. But then again, Leonardo DiCaprio as Peter Parker/

Toby isn't that bad. No complaints.

 

[Zanth]

Yeah Howie would be perfect and has been my top choice for a while now, his ease in front of a camera would facilitate acting in the flick and really...a good amount would be CGI anyway and they could do voice over work once the symbiot merges with him. This if his acting was horrid. Guy looks just like Eddie Brock is depicted. I guess Topher Grace's agent is a real shark.