Sep 13, 2007 at 10:16 PM Post #1,531 of 6,727
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Hi,

I m just wondering if there are any Europian tubes as a replacement or alternatives for the American 12AE6 or similar.

Any experience or suggestions?

Thanks in advance

_atari_



No, but all of the Millett tubes enjoyed worldwide distribution, AFAIK. I just bought a bunch of 12AE6's from French Quebec if that means anything, and through the years there have been several Millett builders from Germany, Belgium, Netherlands (Ferrari, for instance), the UK, etc.
 
Sep 13, 2007 at 11:45 PM Post #1,532 of 6,727
I am going to call this the final mask. Use it to build experimental boards. That is, use good components to experiment, but not the extreme boutique. Or, go ahead if you want.
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Edit - To use this image copy the image and paste it to word. Resize in word and print. Change the size until the posts of your heatsink line up on the mask. Edit: Image is updated, but you will need to hit your refresh button to see the current version.
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Sep 14, 2007 at 3:27 AM Post #1,534 of 6,727
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I decided to build another MAX better suited for my desk at work. With the Hammond 1455T2201 there should be no problem fitting an Alien DAC in the box, and I'm hoping to fit an input switch on the front panel, for selecting between USB, Input 1, and Input 2.

I'm planning on using the pictured Elna RFS caps for CA2L/R and CA7L/R, 2SC2238/2SA968s in a BJT output stage, 12FK6 tubes, and everything else pretty stock off the BOM.

Hopefully it'll work out well. My biggest concern right now is fitting the input switch. It should arrive tomorrow, and if it doesn't seem to fit I might bang something together with a PIC, selector button, indicator LEDs, and a few relays. We'll see.

-Steve
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 4:51 AM Post #1,535 of 6,727
Hey guys, does anyone have an extra headphone jack? I got a different one, but turns out it wont really fit the case. I'll pay for the jack and everything.. just don't want to pay $5 shipping from mouser.

Thanks
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 5:08 AM Post #1,536 of 6,727
OK, took pics. Board still needs a final alcohol rinse to get the rest of the rosin off, which is why you see some smudges here and there.

11 megs of pics, and i figured they should be left big, so, I'm not attaching them or even linking them directly.

Go here: http://166.70.233.190/MAX/
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 6:01 AM Post #1,537 of 6,727
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Originally Posted by ericj /img/forum/go_quote.gif
OK, took pics. Board still needs a final alcohol rinse to get the rest of the rosin off, which is why you see some smudges here and there.

11 megs of pics, and i figured they should be left big, so, I'm not attaching them or even linking them directly.

Go here: http://166.70.233.190/MAX/



One thing I see right off - you have the MOSFET compensation caps shorting across the wrong terminals on the MOSFETs. Here's Ferrari's pic from the MAX website:
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I'll keep studying, though - and thanks for the pics!
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 6:09 AM Post #1,538 of 6,727
QB2L is reversed, eric.

I didn't think it was possible, but some of the guys are confirming that if you have bad problems in the DB's, it can affect the tube bias. Since that's the left channel, it might be the problem.
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 9:08 AM Post #1,539 of 6,727
Nice work Joneeboi! I have to say that 5.1uF in those positions would usually be a little too flabby and reduce the higher frequency response, but I'm glad that you are enjoying them. You have outdone yourself with the review. Hope to hear some more! ;-)
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 1:06 PM Post #1,540 of 6,727
Got mine all up and running a couple of days ago - still not cased but humming along.
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However it doesn't sound as good as I expected, from all reports, it should sound brilliant, but my one has a rather disappointing amount of detail and the highs aren't great either - neither are terrible, just no where near as good as I expected. Now i'm not comparing this to anything amazing - it even sounds on par or only a little better compared to the headphone out on my ipod with both my RS-2s and ER-6is. On the other hand, bass is pretty good and midrange punch is good too - just lacking detail and highs. It's kinda harsh at times too.

Everything should be biased ok, using 12AE6A tubes at 13.5-13.7v bias each, MOSFETs at 220mv. Power supply is 27v.

Have I made poor choices in terms of caps? Is this what tubes inherently sound like? Could I have actually done something wrong in my construction?

Caps are:
CA2: 1000uF 25v Blackgate NX
CA9: 0.22uF Sonicap genII
CA7: 680uF 35v Blackgate NX
CA8: Sonicap 0.82uF genII

Would be great if someone could shed some light on this
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Sep 14, 2007 at 1:28 PM Post #1,541 of 6,727
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Originally Posted by Sixer /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Got mine all up and running a couple of days ago - still not cased but humming along.
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However it doesn't sound as good as I expected, from all reports, it should sound brilliant, but my one has a rather disappointing amount of detail and the highs aren't great either - neither are terrible, just no where near as good as I expected. Now i'm not comparing this to anything amazing - it even sounds on par or only a little better compared to the headphone out on my ipod with both my RS-2s and ER-6is. On the other hand, bass is pretty good and midrange punch is good too - just lacking detail and highs. It's kinda harsh at times too.

Everything should be biased ok, using 12AE6A tubes at 13.5-13.7v bias each, MOSFETs at 220mv. Power supply is 27v.

Have I made poor choices in terms of caps? Is this what tubes inherently sound like? Could I have actually done something wrong in my construction?

Caps are:
CA2: 1000uF 25v Blackgate NX
CA9: 0.22uF Sonicap genII
CA7: 680uF 35v Blackgate NX
CA8: Sonicap 0.82uF genII

Would be great if someone could shed some light on this
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A few things to try:

1. IMHO, and I've already had this conversation with someone, but the GEN II's are a poor choice for the BG's. They were only recommended for the ES's, which are an entirely different cap.

BG's should use an ultra boutique (translated means very expensive), the small NX Hi-Q's (0.47@50V) in a "Super E" configuration, or NO bypass caps at all. There are, in fact, many articles making reference to bypass caps actually ruining the response of BG's. Not saying that's what's happening, but again, the GEN II's were never mentioned as a good combo with the BG's.

Even after you do all of that, it may take quite awhile for the BG's to break in - they are notorious - like 200hrs worth.

2. Put some 12FK6's in there and see if that helps. The 12FK6's are generally speaking, the most detailed tubes. They are a little light on the bass, however, and may not have enough gain to adequately punch through a Sennheiser veil. Low gain and a Sennheiser veil are obviously not your issues with Grados and IEM's, however.

3. Take out the RB14L/R resistors, if you have any in there. These will reduce impact and soften detail to a certain extent. That's preferred in some situations, but not yours from what it sounds like.

4. Finally, the MAX is very sensitive to source. MP3's sound like crap, IMHO. An iPod or PDCP may sound just fine with revealing headphones or IEM's, but very disappointing on the MAX (as in "not much difference"). Try FLAC files from a DAC, an iPod, or direct CD from a decent CD player - hopefully one with a true line out and a discrete output stage.

"4." may be a difficult thing for you, but items 1 - 3 should have the most immediate effect and in that order.

Let us know how it turns out. We want everyone to be happy with their MAX. I'm pretty sure it's the GEN II's and maybe some deader-than-usual 12AE6A's.

P.S. To add another that was mentioned for bypassing BG's - Vitamin Q's. This is because as Dsavitsk as said, the VitQ's are actually on the neutral side with extended high ends. As stated, though, the default should be no bypasses or perhaps the little NX Hi-Q's popped in reverse polarity (all these caps are supposed to be non-polar, but what the hey - that's what BG says to do, and it's a proven method).
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 1:36 PM Post #1,542 of 6,727
Thanks for that tomb
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#1 Ahh right! - I'll try removing the sonicaps and see what kind of difference that makes!

#2 Yeah I'm intending on getting some 12FK6s - I should have got them first - I just couldn't find any locally.

#3 No resistors - jumpered out
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#4 I have been running the max from a NAD cdp - so I think I should be OK source wise.

In fact I'll remove those sonicaps right now - expect a report in a little while
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Sep 14, 2007 at 1:37 PM Post #1,543 of 6,727
I'm running a similar config caps wise, just with 0.22 in CA8. I've got the FK tubes though. I cant say I'm lacking detail, nor highs though. I can say I'm noticing ups and downs, with a general upward trend in sound quality as it clocks play time.. the tubes need a few hours and the BG's supposedly need a few hundred. Also significant difference after its warmed up. The BG's supposedly don't play well with bypass caps unless they're top end and are meant to sound pretty good on their own. I'll see how they behave without them soon.. if everything is stable in your setup, I'd let it play for a while and see how it plays out..

edit: hehe beat me to it.. Tom, you're the man! I cant compete
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and sixer, looks like you'll beat me to that report too.. I'm looking forward to it.
 
Sep 14, 2007 at 2:32 PM Post #1,544 of 6,727
Haha - thanks anyway ruZZ!
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Ok - sonicaps are out. Definitely an improvement on first impressions. There are actually some decent highs now!
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I'll let the BGs burn in and get some 12FK6s and I think I should be very happy.
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Ooh it is sounding rather nice!
I'll give you an updated report when the 12FK6s are in.

Thanks Tomb!
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PS. anyone wanna buy some slightly used sonicaps?
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Sep 14, 2007 at 3:03 PM Post #1,545 of 6,727
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Haha - thanks anyway ruZZ!
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Ok - sonicaps are out. Definitely an improvement on first impressions. There are actually some decent highs now!
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I'll let the BGs burn in and get some 12FK6s and I think I should be very happy.
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Ooh it is sounding rather nice!
I'll give you an updated report when the 12FK6s are in.

Thanks Tomb!
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PS. anyone wanna buy some slightly used sonicaps?
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I might be interested depending on what shipping would be
 

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