[Kirosia]

 
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 I'm still curious how a DVD at 480p plays on a screen thats 640p native.  I'd be shocked if movies didn't look worse on the iPhone 4 compared to my Touch Pro 2.

The aspect ratio is inferior for widescreen movies, and you'll still have to transcode files I believe. Had a 3G... not a great video player.
 

 

[tds101]

I'll be honest though, it's still better than any DAP on the market at this size IMO: ​

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[Maxvla]

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Wow, worse screen and camera than the iPhone4?  Cutting cost corners = greater profits.  No ATT kickback on the iTouch I guess.  Here I thought they just used the same hardware and scaled it down by removing the phone.  Stupid me, should have known better.  Either margins are thinner or profits are sky high.  BTW the whole Retina term is marketing hyperbole.  I'm still curious how a DVD at 480p plays on a screen thats 640p native.  I'd be shocked if movies didn't look worse on the iPhone 4 compared to my Touch Pro 2.

Remember though, the iPhone without contract is something like $600-700 for 32GB. The iPod Touch is $299 for 32GB.
 
I'm not shocked because I know it's half the price. I'm a little disappointed on the screen, but it should be fine.

 

[Maxvla]

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I'll be honest though, it's still better than any DAP on the market at this size IMO: ​

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It seems like the brightness is turned up too much on the right side. Tone it down a bit and it should match better.

 

[Anaxilus]

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Remember though, the iPhone without contract is something like $600-700 for 32GB. The iPod Touch is $299 for 32GB.
 
I'm not shocked because I know it's half the price. I'm a little disappointed on the screen, but it should be fine.

Oh I guarantee you that is a substantial markup.  There isn't even $400 worth of anything in there.  
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20009027-260.html
 
I'll go w/ sky high profits for my hypothesis.

 

[Maxvla]

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Oh I guarantee you that is a substantial markup.  There isn't even $400 worth of anything in there.  
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20009027-260.html
 
I'll go w/ sky high profits for my hypothesis.

You think Apple has significantly more mark up on the iPhone 4 than the iPod Touch? The iPhone actually has competition, while the iPod Touch has practically none. Talk about backwards...

 

[Anaxilus]

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You think Apple has significantly more mark up on the iPhone 4 than the iPod Touch? The iPhone actually has competition, while the iPod Touch has practically none. Talk about backwards...

Thats why I said the unsubsidized iPhone 4 prices and the cost cutting of the iTouch is about profits and not competition and market economics.  Why not, Apple gets away with their Apple tax and rakes it in.  Look at their profits!  You don't come about that by offering competitively priced products, you get that through consumer over-exuberance and mythology.  That's fine.  The market insists that Apple keep raping wallets because on balance the consumers don't mind.  I don't mind either, I have choices.  With Windows Phone 7 I get to kick Microsoft and their new stupidphone business model to the curb also.  Ballmer and Jobs can give each other reach arounds for all I care.  Besides, smartphones all operate at the magical $199 market equilibrium price point.  Pay anything over that and its straight from your wallet to their coffers  

 

[penartur]

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Super Talent 1.8 inch 128GB MasterDrive GF IDE ZIF Solid State Drive: Super Biz

It is so expensive not because the flash memory is expensive but because only some of manufacturers do produce SSDs in that form-factor with that interface.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820322022 (or, if you're unsure of this discount, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139135 ). Again, it is so large not because the flash memory chips are taking awa too many space (nobody makes such large memory chips these days), but because of popular 2.5" form-factor for compatibility with laptops.

 

[penartur]

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Oh I guarantee you that is a substantial markup.  There isn't even $400 worth of anything in there.  
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20009027-260.html
 
I'll go w/ sky high profits for my hypothesis.

This "teardown" doesn't mean anything.
They could as well count Intel's parts cost (CPU are assembled from sand ) and say that $1000 CPU consists of just 0.1lbs of sand, worth $0.01.

 

[Maxvla]

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This "teardown" doesn't mean anything.
They could as well count Intel's parts cost (CPU are assembled from sand ) and say that $1000 CPU consists of just 0.1lbs of sand, worth $0.01.

That reaching, a bit.

 

[Anaxilus]

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This "teardown" doesn't mean anything.
They could as well count Intel's parts cost (CPU are assembled from sand ) and say that $1000 CPU consists of just 0.1lbs of sand, worth $0.01.

Thats just a reductio ad absurdum.  They know very well what a Cortex A4 costs.  If you think it costs more than $200 to make an iPhone I have a bridge to sell you.
 
Edit - On that note, how much do you think a $1000 Intel CPU costs them to make lol.  Go ahead I'm listening, this should be funny unless its true.  

 

[penartur]

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Thats just a reductio ad absurdum.  They know very well what a Cortex A4 costs.  If you think it costs more than $200 to make an iPhone I have a bridge to sell you.

If you think that the cost of iphone is just the cost of its parts... or even the price of its parts + salary of chinese slaves, you are wrong.

 

[Bricolage]

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Damn, that doesn't looks so good, does it?!?1?!

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It looks better when you're looking at it straight dude.

 

[tds101]

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I'll be honest though, it's still better than any DAP on the market at this size IMO: ​

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It looks better when you're looking at it straight dude.

Uh, no kidding, as that's why I posted the second picture and said: ​

I'll be honest though, it's still better than any DAP on the market at this size IMO: ​

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[Anaxilus]

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If you think that the cost of iphone is just the cost of its parts... or even the price of its parts + salary of chinese slaves, you are wrong.

 
If you think all that w/ shipping and packaging and RnD added together adds more than another $50-75 (probably less) per unit you are wrong.  The majority of the cost is in the bulk purchase of its parts and the miniscule cost of Chinese slave labor.  Believe me, I have a close relationship w/ someone who works at Foxconn.  $600-$700 for an iPhone 4 off contract is ludicrous and a pocket liner.  You think they are losing money on the iTouch and iPods?  They are raking it in hand over fist w/ bigger margins than anybody out there.  Its not hard to guesstimate how much that product sitting on a shelf at Best Buy cost to get there.