New Flat/Accurate IEM Target

[Vamp898]

Isn't that the same case with a pair of studio monitor that sounds absolutely piercing? Yamaha something, I remember. If your mix can sound good on those, they would sound okay on everything

The Yamaha NS10, yes. This speaker was released for Home Hifi Systems but became for reasons nobody really know anymore today famous with sound engineers. Probably because they verify mixes on home Hifi setups to hear what the average consumer hears.

But Yamaha noticed that and 9 years later (late 80s) did actually release versions of that speaker meant for monitoring, there are several NS10M versions that, for the time, measure surprisingly good and became famous for being actually good, but that's the less fun story^^ but initially, the NS10 was never designed/intended as an monitor^^

The crappy NS10 is the reason Yamaha is still famous in sound studios to this day with the HS-8 as flagship that measures flat without DSP (which is rare as most speakers these days just have built-in EQ to sound flat).

 

[maegnificant]

Its always very hard to tell what in the measurement is really audible and what not. I would assume, that the dip around 2.5kHz and the dip at 5kHz is not audible but if you have that, you can check it for yourself (attention! Watch your volume!)

https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/

With that, you can test if the volume suddenly drops when you go from 1kHz to 2.5kHz or when you go from 3.5kHz to 5kHz. I assume not, but the best way to make sure is to test it yourself.

would a volume drop in certain frequencies not also be possible due to a loss of hearing or just plain genetics?

 

[Vamp898]

would a volume drop in certain frequencies not also be possible due to a loss of hearing or just plain genetics?

If the drop is also there with speakers, then yes. If flat measuring Studio Reference Monitor Speakers sound flat and the IEM/Headphone doesn't, its the IEM/Headphone.

Given that these Speakers are well setup/calibrated and good enough to do the job to begin with^^

 

[maegnificant]

If the drop is also there with speakers, then yes. If flat measuring Studio Reference Monitor Speakers sound flat and the IEM/Headphone doesn't, its the IEM/Headphone.

Given that these Speakers are well setup/calibrated and good enough to do the job to begin with^^

Gotta have faith in the product, as always...

Also regarding some posts here, I would try to avoid comparing measurements from different sources, as they all tend to use different coupler clones and fit the IEMs slightly differently etc. The most accurate comparisons are between measurements of the same source.

 

[Vamp898]

Gotta have faith in the product, as always...

Also regarding some posts here, I would try to avoid comparing measurements from different sources, as they all tend to use different coupler clones and fit the IEMs slightly differently etc. The most accurate comparisons are between measurements of the same source.

Absolutely. But all famous/important Studio Reference Monitors measure how they are supposed to measure. I think that is the only point that is important.

No matter if its from FitEar, CanalWorks, Shure, Westone, Ultimate Ears or Vision Ears. At least when you use an Custom or an Universal with Foam, you should get the result that is needed for the job.

I recently learned (i also think i posted it hear), that 1/5 of the MH334 customers from FitEar are sound engineer.

 

[John Culter]

I suggest you get your hands on InEar Prophile-8. Probably the best tool out there for studio work. MH334 SR are only customs. Prophile-8 offers them in universal and custom variants. Universal variant in S (small) is extremely comfortable for long work hours. Despite it is quite old model. Still didn't know until this day about anything better.

 

[Vamp898]

I suggest you get your hands on InEar Prophile-8. Probably the best tool out there for studio work. MH334 SR are only customs. Prophile-8 offers them in universal and custom variants. Universal variant in S (small) is extremely comfortable for long work hours. Despite it is quite old model. Still didn't know until this day about anything better.

The MH334SR is also available in Universal, it is called TG334 (Attention, a lot of people call the old "To Go! 334" also TG334, but this is not the same IEM.

MH334 --> To Go! 334
MH334SR --> TG334

I know the PP8, its from a German company called InEar and it is an excellent IEM. But they are not sold in Japan as far as i know. The only German option here is Vision Ears.

But when i have the option, i would go for Custom anyway. My first experience wasn't good years ago but i am more than happy with the decision to the MH334SR so when possible, i choose the Custom option from now on.

 

[John Culter]

I have MH334SR. It is not available in universal. The tuning you get for studio reference is only for custom iem. Universal model is not SR tuned

 

[Vamp898]

I have MH334SR. It is not available in universal. The tuning you get for studio reference is only for custom iem. Universal model is not SR tuned

FitEar says, it uses the SR tuning

"Same Drivers and Same Network as in the Custom MH334 Studio Reference"

Sources
TG334 Product Page: https://fitear.jp/music/product/tg334.html
TG334 Special Page: https://fitear.jp/sp/tg334/

 

[John Culter]

FitEar says, it uses the SR tuning





"Same Drivers and Same Network as in the Custom MH334 Studio Reference"

Sources
TG334 Product Page: https://fitear.jp/music/product/tg334.html
TG334 Special Page: https://fitear.jp/sp/tg334/

Oh look like they updated the description texts, this wasn't mentioned there before. Also it says 'based on', not co firming it is exactly the same. I'm now wondering if it is truly same. We should directly ask them

 

[Vamp898]

Oh look like they updated the description texts, this wasn't mentioned there before. Also it says 'based on', not co firming it is exactly the same. I'm now wondering if it is truly same. We should directly ask them

It is not^^ the description explains that they use the "Absolutely identical Drivers and Network" but in an Universal Shell with earpieces.

Due to its nature, it is not truly the same as it is Universal. You can not turn an Custom into an Universal and it will be the same as the Universal compensates for different amount of air in the ear canal, different for left/right and most important, it does not use earpieces. As earpieces change the sound, it is impossible to make the Custom identical to the Universal.

All they can do is to use the same Drivers/Network in an Shell that simulates an Custom and hope it fits you good enough.

As the description says: カスタムのイヤモニと同等の音を提供します --> Sound Quality that is the same as the Custom.

All they can do is to use the exact same material and hope for the best, as with all universal.

 

[John Culter]

It is not^^ the description explains that they use the "Absolutely identical Drivers and Network" but in an Universal Shell with earpieces.

Due to its nature, it is not truly the same as it is Universal. You can not turn an Custom into an Universal and it will be the same as the Universal compensates for different amount of air in the ear canal, different for left/right and most important, it does not use earpieces. As earpieces change the sound, it is impossible to make the Custom identical to the Universal.

All they can do is to use the same Drivers/Network in an Shell that simulates an Custom and hope it fits you good enough.

As the description says: カスタムのイヤモニと同等の音を提供します --> Sound Quality that is the same as the Custom.

All they can do is to use the exact same material and hope for the best, as with all universal.

Thank you for this.
Wondering how this universal TG334 compare to TG335 and quite old SE846 with white filters.

 

[Vamp898]

Thank you for this.
Wondering how this universal TG334 compare to TG335 and quite old SE846 with white filters.

The TG335 is not Flat/Accurate.

The MH334 was designed as an Flat/Accurate Reference Monitor. Bassists/Drummers complained that it does not have enough bass, hence FitEar created the MH335DW (Double Woofer). The biggest/only difference to the MH334 is that they use an Double BA for the bass instead of an Single BA.

MH334SR --> TG334
MH335DWSR --> TG335

So the TG335 is the TG334 with pushed bass due to an double woofer.

The SE846 is an excellent IEM and one of the reasons i got it twice and still own it. The biggest difference to the TG334 is the significantly higher comfort and stronger isolation + better fit.

The SE846 + Comply P almost fits like a custom where the TG334, even though it looks more like one, doesn't do. At least to my ears, the TG334 as no issue but no way as comfortable as the SE846 and did isolate worse.

In terms of sonic performance though i think the TG334 is better. If i could own only one single IEM, it probably would be the SE846 as its simple more versatile and more comfortable. But as you already own a bunch of IEM, i would rather get the TG334 than the SE846.

But since i replaced the TG334 with an MH334SR, i am thinking about selling the SE846 again as the Custom is unbeat in terms of comfort but i have not decided on that yet. I got it with 50% off which was an insanely good deal, so it doesn't hurt to keep it, but also i make no loss selling it.

I thought about keeping it for emergencies when something is with my MH334SR. Things can break or maybe i'll need a refit in the future or stuff like that.