good point Peter. It's still a lot of money for headphone equipment. that said I think more audiophiles are getting into high end headphone gear. our DC Captial area audiofest is including headphone vendors this July - not sure if Burson will be there but I'll mention to the organizer.
New Burson Conductor - V2 and V2+
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Middy
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You have to pay to get exposure on IDGG.
Considering the chunk of cash they pull of the campaign and holding the cash in thier accounts...like Casinos the house never looses. We are a harder market as we are a step on or step up buyers.
A smaller pool...Just nice they can reduce prices to compete more..
Considering the chunk of cash they pull of the campaign and holding the cash in thier accounts...like Casinos the house never looses. We are a harder market as we are a step on or step up buyers.
A smaller pool...Just nice they can reduce prices to compete more..
Sincere thanks to Burson for doing this!
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Has anyone used a gadget in between their source and USB input on a Conductor? (Any model)
I've been been using a UpTone Regen on my first generation Conductor. It's improved resolution and flow. I like it.
http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
I'm also interested in the Curious USB cable.
If you've had any experiences with that with a Conductor, let me know
http://www.curiouscables.com/
I've been been using a UpTone Regen on my first generation Conductor. It's improved resolution and flow. I like it.
http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
I'm also interested in the Curious USB cable.
If you've had any experiences with that with a Conductor, let me know
http://www.curiouscables.com/
Middy
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The computer audiophile site guys swear by the Curious mini cable same as DAR'S D DARKO. They use an IFI Wall Mart as a cheaper option to a linear power supply.(with the uptone REGEN I forgot to say)edit*
Lots of power cleaner toys now as you know. Latest is the Wyrd for sound RUR.
I got an IFI IPURIFIER 2. My cheap transport is an OTG cable to my SAMMY S5. A supra printer cable into my old OPPO Ha1 bless it... Rather wish it was a BURSON V2.... Patients Dave.. 8^(
The IFI IPURIFIER 2 smoothed things a little in my mind 8-10% clarity. Haven't tried a laptop yet to see what usb bus sounds like with and without.
Curious cables is Australian... so I am not sure about that..... 8^D
I think they do a trial so maybe give it a go...
Good luck though
Dave..8^)
Lots of power cleaner toys now as you know. Latest is the Wyrd for sound RUR.
I got an IFI IPURIFIER 2. My cheap transport is an OTG cable to my SAMMY S5. A supra printer cable into my old OPPO Ha1 bless it... Rather wish it was a BURSON V2.... Patients Dave.. 8^(
The IFI IPURIFIER 2 smoothed things a little in my mind 8-10% clarity. Haven't tried a laptop yet to see what usb bus sounds like with and without.
Curious cables is Australian... so I am not sure about that..... 8^D
I think they do a trial so maybe give it a go...
Good luck though
Dave..8^)
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Thanks Dave
Indeed, these USB cleaners are getting lots of oxygen over on Ccomputer Aduiophile (CA). Just wondering what impact the make with Burson DACs.
The W4S RUR and Intona thingy are said to do more than the Regen on the power side of things. But given Burson's attention to power supplies and not drawing on USB bus power at all, I thought they may have less of an impact. However, these are said to work wonders on DACs many times the price of a Burson.
If funds allow, I'd like to try a Curious cable. Two short ones would be even better...
Fezz - interesting you said that the DAC of thr V2+ was on par with the one in the Devialet 800. While you may not rate the Devialet's DAC, a number on CA do. One guy sold his Ayre DSD, preferring the DAC inside his Devialet 120.
Care to elaborate on any differences you picked up between the V2+ and the 800's DAC?
Pretty please
Indeed, these USB cleaners are getting lots of oxygen over on Ccomputer Aduiophile (CA). Just wondering what impact the make with Burson DACs.
The W4S RUR and Intona thingy are said to do more than the Regen on the power side of things. But given Burson's attention to power supplies and not drawing on USB bus power at all, I thought they may have less of an impact. However, these are said to work wonders on DACs many times the price of a Burson.
If funds allow, I'd like to try a Curious cable. Two short ones would be even better...
Fezz - interesting you said that the DAC of thr V2+ was on par with the one in the Devialet 800. While you may not rate the Devialet's DAC, a number on CA do. One guy sold his Ayre DSD, preferring the DAC inside his Devialet 120.
Care to elaborate on any differences you picked up between the V2+ and the 800's DAC?
Pretty please
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Has anyone used a gadget in between their source and USB input on a Conductor? (Any model)
I've been been using a UpTone Regen on my first generation Conductor. It's improved resolution and flow. I like it.
http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
I'm also interested in the Curious USB cable.
If you've had any experiences with that with a Conductor, let me know
http://www.curiouscables.com/
I have both Uptone Regen and iFi iUSB 3.0. I will try them both when I receive my CV2+.
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Thanks Kaushama
I would be keen to hear what difference the IFI USB 3.0 has on the V2+
Oh dear, just saw all my typos... How embarrassment... :-/
(Brownie points if you get that old school Ozy reference)
I would be keen to hear what difference the IFI USB 3.0 has on the V2+
Oh dear, just saw all my typos... How embarrassment... :-/
(Brownie points if you get that old school Ozy reference)
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Thanks Dave
Indeed, these USB cleaners are getting lots of oxygen over on Ccomputer Aduiophile (CA). Just wondering what impact the make with Burson DACs.
The W4S RUR and Intona thingy are said to do more than the Regen on the power side of things. But given Burson's attention to power supplies and not drawing on USB bus power at all, I thought they may have less of an impact. However, these are said to work wonders on DACs many times the price of a Burson.
If funds allow, I'd like to try a Curious cable. Two short ones would be even better...
Fezz - interesting you said that the DAC of thr V2+ was on par with the one in the Devialet 800. While you may not rate the Devialet's DAC, a number on CA do. One guy sold his Ayre DSD, preferring the DAC inside his Devialet 120.
Care to elaborate on any differences you picked up between the V2+ and the 800's DAC?
Pretty please
I can give that a go!
I just need to get everything in the same room and have some time to compare. There's no headphone out on the LE-800, so I'll have to find a nice neutral way to connect everything together for a fair review.
Personally, I think the 120 was probably a little smoother overall than the 800. But it just didn't have the bass grunt I wanted. The DAC sections are meant to be the same, although as I mentioned before, the Devialet is an all-in-one solution, and I can easily compare the internal DAC to a $5000-$7000 external DAC pretty comfortably. I do think the V2+ is right up there with it. I will do a full comparison soon!
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Really appreciate that Fezz
High end DACs are a little thin on the ground here on the arse end of the earth...
Hope you don't mind, but I quoted a little of your Devialet comparison on Computer Audiophile. I wouldn't be surprised if Burson put it up on their website. It's perhaps the best vindication of the V2+ yet.
Upsampling
I have been tinkering with my iZotope settings in Audirvana. If anyone uses iZotope with a 9018 Conductor, please share your settings. I'm curious.
High end DACs are a little thin on the ground here on the arse end of the earth...
Hope you don't mind, but I quoted a little of your Devialet comparison on Computer Audiophile. I wouldn't be surprised if Burson put it up on their website. It's perhaps the best vindication of the V2+ yet.
Upsampling
I have been tinkering with my iZotope settings in Audirvana. If anyone uses iZotope with a 9018 Conductor, please share your settings. I'm curious.
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Obviously, I'm a little caught up in the sampling questions at present....
Anyone know which of the two Sabre filters Burson uses? I don't remember hearing about custom filters? Or have I missed that?
Resonessence gives a good spiel about the filters they use with their Sabre chip offerings. They tend to prefer their own filters, but share some info on the inbuilt ESS ones. I would guess it the second - slow roll-off. I wish there was the option to bypass filters altogether. Recon essence seem to kind of suggest that it is possible, but I didn't think it was (only in the new Pro ESS chips).
1. The internal Fast Roll-off filter pre-installed in the Sabre DAC.
On the OLED display panel this appears as “Sabre Fast Roll-Off”
This is a ‘classic’ FIR filter with symmetrical coefficients, hence it is linear phase and non-dispersive. It achieves excellent suppression of -115db, and so has to have a relatively large group delay of 35 samples. That means, that for a CD at 44.1Khz the group delay is about 800uS. (less for higher sample rates). This filter exhibits pre-ringing, but achieves perfection in rejection: no sample rate artifacts above 22.05Khz are present in the output.
2. The internal Slow Roll-off filter pre-installed in the Sabre DAC.
On the OLED display panel this appears as “Sabre Slow Roll-Off”
This filter is designed to reduce the group delay present in the Fast Roll-off filter. It is a symmetrical impulse response (i.e. it has symmetrical coefficients), it is linear phase and non-dispersive. It achieves good rejection but the rejection begins slowly, 24Khz or so is present in the output if the music content has signals near 20khz, but signals higher than that are suppressed. The group delay however is much less, being only 6.25 samples or 140uS at 44.1Khz. This filter also exhibits pre-ringing.
Anyone know which of the two Sabre filters Burson uses? I don't remember hearing about custom filters? Or have I missed that?
Resonessence gives a good spiel about the filters they use with their Sabre chip offerings. They tend to prefer their own filters, but share some info on the inbuilt ESS ones. I would guess it the second - slow roll-off. I wish there was the option to bypass filters altogether. Recon essence seem to kind of suggest that it is possible, but I didn't think it was (only in the new Pro ESS chips).
1. The internal Fast Roll-off filter pre-installed in the Sabre DAC.
On the OLED display panel this appears as “Sabre Fast Roll-Off”
This is a ‘classic’ FIR filter with symmetrical coefficients, hence it is linear phase and non-dispersive. It achieves excellent suppression of -115db, and so has to have a relatively large group delay of 35 samples. That means, that for a CD at 44.1Khz the group delay is about 800uS. (less for higher sample rates). This filter exhibits pre-ringing, but achieves perfection in rejection: no sample rate artifacts above 22.05Khz are present in the output.
2. The internal Slow Roll-off filter pre-installed in the Sabre DAC.
On the OLED display panel this appears as “Sabre Slow Roll-Off”
This filter is designed to reduce the group delay present in the Fast Roll-off filter. It is a symmetrical impulse response (i.e. it has symmetrical coefficients), it is linear phase and non-dispersive. It achieves good rejection but the rejection begins slowly, 24Khz or so is present in the output if the music content has signals near 20khz, but signals higher than that are suppressed. The group delay however is much less, being only 6.25 samples or 140uS at 44.1Khz. This filter also exhibits pre-ringing.
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Wow! Got an email from Burson. They will start shipping the units from the 11th of April. Still two more weeks....
Wow! Got an email from Burson. They will start shipping the units from the 11th of April. Still two more weeks....
That's great news! Can't wait to hear what more people think about the V2/V2+
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You are from Italy and you received already the new V2+ ?
I'm also from Italy and i'm still waiting ...
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