[Loevhagen]

Agree to some parts of your post; LCD-3 and design. I foresee that the "LCD-4" (claimed said to be released in due time / planned already) will indeed have a different design.

 

[FinBenton]

For LCD-4, take LCD-3 sound and sennheiser HD800 comfort and shut up and take my money

 

[m0gwai]

You need to realize that Audeze is not Sennheiser, Sennheiser is a huge company, producing hunderds of different products and with thousand of employees, they also outsource most of their production and sell of lot of volume from their cheaper models so they have the cash flow, the ressources and the expertise to develop new designs.
 
The fixed cost of a new design are huge and even if Audeze could afford them, they would need to reach out to new third party manufacturer and outsource part of their production, this takes time, contacts, money, so am I disapointed of the LCD-3 design, yes of course but I don't think can blame Audeze or compared them to Sennheiser.
 
Just my 2 cent's

 

[Loevhagen]

Good point, and if we look at the Beyerdynamic 7xx, 8xx, 9xx, 7x and T1 -> They are all quite similar in design, aren't they.

 

[Badd99]

 
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I have just read through the last 6 pages and the only thing that came out of the last 6 pages is not to buy a used LCD-2, because of poor quality control with Audeze and folks keep buying the LCD-2 in hopes of getting a good pair and selling the not so good pairs. Or like the HE6's pairing them up with a high powered amp and blowing up the headphone, like Ray did with his DS amp and HE6, or so he claims.
 
And maybe Audeze needs to charge $1945. per pair of LCD-3 because they have to scrap at-least 1 out of 3 pairs to come up with a good pair. But still that is cheaper than having to buy 2,3,4 pairs of LCD-2's to get a good pair.
 
Please don't think I am complaining, this is just my take on the last 6 pages of this thread.
 
 
 

Unless you can land one of the very first units that you would think would have more time spent on. The units BEFORE the huge waiting line to get the units. I have the exact same LCD-2 that is in my use profile and that stain color with that headband and outer metal cover show they are very early. My pair actually came from a guy who was one of the very first to receive a pair. This does make sense to me why I thought mine sounded better than others I have heard but never really thought it was possible. I guess my ears really don't lie. 
 
 

 

[purrin]

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Forums should be on the list for those studying group thinking.
 
Suddenly the LCD-2s have massive variations in sound signature - and that variation span from "bad" to "good". What?! Its kind of funny, and in my mind not throstworthy compared to all the postings done on the LCD-2 the last year omitting such "easy to hear" variations.
 
A lot of effort was made by many members here on elaborating on rev. 1 versus rev. 2, and not variation within each batch.
 
Hey. Maybe it is the amount of oil applied on the wood that causes "all these massive variations in sound". Or, just group thinking and flavour topic of the week.

There have been a few who had gone against the grain - but those voices were drowned out very early on.
 

 

[m0gwai]

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Good point, and if we look at the Beyerdynamic 7xx, 8xx, 9xx, 7x and T1 -> They are all quite similar in design, aren't they.

Yes or look at hifiman or grado even, their headphones models might be slightly different but use pretty much always the same materials and manufacturing techniques.
 
Out of curiosity I checked Sennheiser key fact, they have +2'100 employees and made 436mio$ of turnover in 2010, I expect Audeze to be around 1% of that and that's being generous, so do the math

 

[gurus]

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Yes or look at hifiman or grado even, their headphones models might be slightly different but use pretty much always the same materials and manufacturing techniques.
 
Out of curiosity I checked Sennheiser key fact, they have +2'100 employees and made 436mio$ of turnover in 2010, I expect Audeze to be around 1% of that and that's being generous, so do the math

That's because people are not complaining about their ergonomics (of Beyer, Hifiman, Grado etc) while that has been a complaint of the LCD-2  (and LCD-3).
 
 

 

[googleli]

I have yet to try on any headphone which beats the ED10 in terms of comfort- SR009 included.

 

[m0gwai]

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That's because people are not complaining about their ergonomics (of Beyer, Hifiman, Grado etc) while that has been a complaint of the LCD-2  (and LCD-3).
 
 

This is very true, I personally have no problem with the LCD-2 comfort wise, of course it's no match for a Sennheiser HD-800 or Beyer DT-880

 

[Anathallo]

I've seen quite a few complaints (including mine) regarding the ergonomics of the Grados.
 
Truly the World's Least Comfortable.
 
Okay, that's maybe a bit too harsh, but they are not very comfy headphones.
 

 
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That's because people are not complaining about their ergonomics (of Beyer, Hifiman, Grado etc) while that has been a complaint of the LCD-2  (and LCD-3).
 
 

 

 

[gurus]

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I've seen quite a few complaints (including mine) regarding the ergonomics of the Grados.
 
Truly the World's Least Comfortable.
 
Okay, that's maybe a bit too harsh, but they are not very comfy headphones.
 
 
 

Then Grado needs to fix or improve on it.
 

 

[singh]

yeah , the Grado (or bayerdynamic ) headphones have similar design (
But, if i were to put Grado RS1i 's driver in RS2i casing , will uit sound the same as RS1i ...my guess is, no. ( i took 2 of the closest models )
again if i put bayer T1's driver and place it in dt880 , will it work as good as t1. again no.
 
not with the case with LCD2 and 3 , if i were to put the new driver in LCD2 and replace the pads with new ones it will be the SAME. this is what i was trying to say.
note that my comments are based completely on what i have read here, there has been no indication that apart from, the wood, pads, cable entry and driver there isn't a difference between the LCD2 and LCD3.
 
looks wise similarities, i dont mind that ( infact the styling is a part the feel that the brand has)

 

[DefectiveAudioComponent]

What's your point with all this?
Isn't it obvious to you that with a new driver it's a completely different headphone?
 
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yeah , the Grado and bayerdynamic headphones have similer design
But, if i were to put Grado RS1i 's driver in RS2i casing , will uit sound the same as RS1i ...my guess is, no. ( i took 2 of the closest models )
again if i put bayer T1's driver and place it in dt880 , will it work as good as t1. again no.
 
not with the case with LCD2 and 3 , if i were to put the new driver in LCD2 and replace the pads with new ones it will be the SAME. this is what i was trying to say.
note that my comments are based completely on what i have read here, there has been no indication that apart from, the wood, pads, cable entry and driver there isn't a difference between the LCD2 and LCD3.
 
looks wise similarities, i dont mind that ( infact the styling is a part the feel that the brand has)

 

 

[Danz03]

Maybe the reason is that there isn't much one can think of to complain about the LCD-2 apart from that. 

 
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That's because people are not complaining about their ergonomics (of Beyer, Hifiman, Grado etc) while that has been a complaint of the LCD-2  (and LCD-3).