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Can you try a different amp with lower output Z. The BA output Z is a bit on the high side at 16ohms, which is not ideal for the LCD3. I've noted solid-state amps tend to control LCD3 resonances (not just in the bass, but also in the mids) a little bit better. But you know how it goes, compromises, and the ones you can live with.
How do you know that for certain? There are many of us who got them on their release date WITHOUT any issue. We don't have the % affected, but all we do have is Audeze's comments that a "small percentage were affected". We can't know for certain what the % was. Reading over this entire thread recently (yes I did) it appears that the issues began to pop up in January (about 6-7 weeks after they were released). Seems like the " failure and veil issue" rate increased with the subsequent batches (after the initial run). But once there appeared to be an issue (around end of January), Audeze (to their credit) stopped shipping product and began to rectify the situation.
I can't read the whole thread again. I read most of it in November when I was picking which LCD to buy and have tried to keep up with it so I can only go my crappy memory.
I know of the first cherry picked pairs that some got (Four of them? Was it you, purrin? I don't remember.). When I said "initial", I was more referring to the fact that this headphone has only been on sale for five months and is still new. That was wrong word, sorry. "Early", perhaps? Whatever the first five months means lol. If you say January I believe you but that's only three months in and is early. I meant Audeze became aware in the months after release about the issues, either veil or driver, and are helping their customers out but, according to the email, their standard is not to pay S&H so I think that's why they're doing it, to help with their boo-boo. They say a small percentage referring to ALL pairs sold from them and their dealers, but it seems so much bigger on this forum because of all the veil-talk amongst members and people claiming theirs is.
I know LFF did not like his pair back in November. Were they veiled?
I had a question about how the LCD-3's soundstage is compared to the LCD-2 Rev. 2's?
I just listened to Katy Perry's Teenage Dream. When I play albums like it, it sounds like...I have two speakers on my head. There is no front or back to the music, just a speaker at each ear. I am aware of a broken/weaker soundstage compared to speakers.
It doesn't sound bad at all! I just can't imagine paying $2-3000 more (already put in $4000+) for something "better" when I don't have any problems with it. I mean, never hearing the LCD-3s, only reading about them, I can kind of hear the LCD-2's faults now. Sounds sort of laid-back with a small soundstage to me, while I imagine the LCD-3 to be more immersive and engaging in every-way. They are wonderful, though. In this case, you really do get what you pay for...for what I put in, it's damn good and I feel like I'm nit-picking. And losing the ability to hear old mono music would suck, if what I've read is correct.
But I'm DYING to know how the LCD-3s sound in this regard. I read the soundstage is holographic. Do they still sound like speakers on the head? Is there any front at all to the music? You know what I mean? Thank you.
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Additionally, out of curiosity I've checked the estimated shipping cost in case of purchasing their headphones and shipping them to Europe where I live. It is $351.53 !!!
I don't know if I should laugh or cry. (For comparison I paid $90 for quite a big tube DAC to be shipped from USA to Europe a few months ago).
Is Audeze trying to profit from shipping, too?
You can buy LCD-3 from Sweden, that is if you want to pay less in shipping cost and more in VAT... (overall more expensive for you I think)
http://www.kdmfidelity.com/
But I'm DYING to know how the LCD-3s sound in this regard. I read the soundstage is holographic. Do they still sound like speakers on the head? Is there any front at all to the music? You know what I mean? Thank you.
The soundstage is pretty good with LCD3. It's not non-issue with me - even coming from HD800s. LCD2r1 in contrast was frightening claustrophobic. The HD800 is more holographic with better pin-point localization. It depends upon the amp and recording too. I don't really notice these soundstage things that much because I don't expect headphones to be speakers.
That's how I feel too. Imaging is important, but I could give a hoot about soundstage. It's a fun gimmick IMO and isn't necessary to maintain the purity and fidelity of the music.
Can you try a different amp with lower output Z. The BA output Z is a bit on the high side at 16ohms, which is not ideal for the LCD3. I've noted solid-state amps tend to control LCD3 resonances (not just in the bass, but also in the mids) a little bit better. But you know how it goes, compromises, and the ones you can live with.
I didn't find that an issue between the two tbh, not to say there is no affect. The LCD2r2's that were spot on were just better to my ears than the veiled LCD3s everytime regardless. Hearing your new LCD3 either trough a walkman or the BA it was clearly better technically than the LCD2r.2 at it's best. The clarity, speed, air and tone was just much better for the most part. A good LCD3 just doesn't sound like a side grade to me. A bad one does or even worse.
As for the whole adjusting thing, I'd have a lot more phones in my inventory if I let myself grow into them. Ears and brain are incredibly nimble and capable at adapting to less than ideal environments. For listening to music that's fine, but for ABing phones and putting them in their place, you have to move faster than your ears and brain can adjust. I try to be as objective about my subjective listening as possible.
That's how I feel too. Imaging is important, but I could give a hoot about soundstage. It's a fun gimmick IMO and isn't necessary to maintain the purity and fidelity of the music.
It's not a lot of fun when it's behind you, on top or below you. That annoys the hell out me. SS is definitely less important to me than separation, clarity and proper imaging, but SS can definitely help out those other attributes. I can do intimate SS, my MD's do that very well in a romantic way. Collapsed and bunkered while being assaulted from hard left and right is another thing altogether.
I received my veiled pair 2 weeks and a 4 days ago. I´ve now waited 2 weeks and a 2 days to get an email reply from them about my issue and still waiting...
Also they said they could ship it after 10 days when they have received the payment, but it took way over a month. It´s been now over two months since they´ve had my money, but I´m still sitting here and waiting with a veiled pair that I can´t even listen.
I received my veiled pair 2 weeks and a 4 days ago. I´ve now waited 2 weeks and a 2 days to get an email reply from them about my issue and still waiting...
Also they said they could ship it after 10 days when they have received the payment, but it took way over a month. It´s been now over two months since they´ve had my money, but I´m still sitting here and waiting with a veiled pair that I can´t even listen.
Did you message them using their support service on their website? They replied in less than 48 hours to all my queries from their Support@Audez'e site.
You can buy LCD-3 from Sweden, that is if you want to pay less in shipping cost and more in VAT... (overall more expensive for you I think)
http://www.kdmfidelity.com/
Thanks for info, but prices in Europe are even crazier. In this Swedish shop LCD3 costs 21,200 SEK which equals to $3,148.95 (without shipping).
Maybe I should just take a plane to USA and collect them personally from Audeze factory
Thanks for info, but prices in Europe are even crazier. In this Swedish shop LCD3 costs 21,200 SEK which equals to $3,148.95 (without shipping).
Maybe I should just take a plane to USA and collect them personally from Audeze factory
ermm,u can tell them to ship it via USPS.i told them so and i paid $50 for shippment of my lcd2 and i live much farther than europe. never ever let them ship it via ups.they will eat you up with clearance
charges not to mention the ridiculous shipping costs.
I think Audez'e should offer less costly shipping. I emailed them about USPS-ing some earpads.
If you want to pay less for shpiing, just send them an email. They will calculate your sipping manually. If they get enough emails they will hopefully put cheap shipping as a standard option (like 99% of other web-stores..)
ermm,u can tell them to ship it via USPS.i told them so and i paid $50 for shippment of my lcd2 and i live much farther than europe. never ever let them ship it via ups.they will eat you up with clearance
charges not to mention the ridiculous shipping costs.
There are plenty of amazing headphones that underwhelmed me when I first listened to them, so I would agree. The SR-007mk1 for instance was "meh" at first, especially compared to the more immediately impressive Lambdas, but over time it grew to become one of my favorite headphones. Heck, it took me an entire year to "get" the LCD-2 rev. 1, and now I'm quite fond of it.
I've only spent 90 minutes or so with the LCD-3, but they are really something. My first thought was "This is how I'd like the Stax O2 to sound". I really liked the Stax o2 but kept feeling the mids were somewhat retracted (srm-007 driver) to my taste. Exceptional resolution, but not my instan favorite in sound-sig. Probably people get used to it. Anyway, the last time I had such a instant goose-bump audio experience I was listening to a USD150.000 speaker rig.
Reading this thread had me prepared for a big dissapointment, so that might explain the feeling of surprise when I wasn't. I've so far primarily used the WA2. I'll do some more listening before posting more
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