Nervana: Neurotransmitter stimulating IEM's?

[disastermouse]

  Very true. I guess it's not introducing new dopamine molecules, just stimulating the release. The only was I guess I could see it being damaging would be in combination with any neurotoxic substance.
 
Interesting with what you say about the meditation too. Could make it a more powerful experience.

Well especially for anchoring visualization or release guided meditations. I have a lot of work to do on old psychological/emotional programing that I'm trying to lose and new programming that I'm trying to anchor, and I think that a dopamine shot will help my brain rewire.

 

[odevans]

  Your comment before deleting it was fine!
 
I wonder to what degree would dopamine be released past a placebo level and or normal pleasures.

I'm terrible and writing on my phone, especially when I'm rushed off my feet, but thanks!
 
This really is it, isn't it - I mean, where is the proof that this method of electro-stimulation actually has a medically significant affect on dopamine levels? I was unable to see any links to research on the website, which alone should raise red flags sky high. I was searching on my phone, so I may have missed something.

 

[semaj8james]

Yeah especially with it marketed as a 'high', I feel it's just a shotty marketing scheme. Of course lots of young adults would love the idea of music that gets you high 

 

[odevans]

Listen to the right music and you will feel

 

[coastal1]

I'm terrible and writing on my phone, especially when I'm rushed off my feet, but thanks!

This really is it, isn't it - I mean, where is the proof that this method of electro-stimulation actually has a medically significant affect on dopamine levels? I was unable to see any links to research on the website, which alone should raise red flags sky high. I was searching on my phone, so I may have missed something.

I think it's fair to be skeptical, but I'm intrigued and would like to try them. I'd think it would be pretty expensive for the company to pay for a medical study that might not persuade skeptics anyways

 

[disastermouse]

I think it's fair to be skeptical, but I'm intrigued and would like to try them. I'd think it would be pretty expensive for the company to pay for a medical study that might not persuade skeptics anyways

I just got the pre-order date notice. March 15 on Indiegogo. I'm in, hoping to get a big discount!

 

[odevans]

Not that I'm a massive skeptic: Just remember that the placebo effect is real and can be quite profound.

 

[semaj8james]

Not that I'm a massive skeptic: Just remember that the placebo effect is real and can be quite profound.

Yeah I feel these would operate more on the placebo effect rather than not. That being said, placebo isn't always a bad thing.

 

[coastal1]

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[disastermouse]

Obviously. I'm confident this will come out in the wash with at least a majority opinion. Given the skepticism already and critical types that are likely to write first reviews, could actually be a nocebo effect.

There are preview articles from writers who tried them at CES.

 

[odevans]

  Yeah I feel these would operate more on the placebo effect rather than not. That being said, placebo isn't always a bad thing.

 
 
You're right, the placebo effect really is a wonderful thing at times, I'd just rather not pay for it!  
 

Obviously. I'm confident this will come out in the wash with at least a majority opinion. Given the skepticism already and critical types that are likely to write first reviews, could actually be a nocebo effect.

 
A fair one, expectation does often have a profound affect. Expecting physical proof of something working isn't much of an ask though, is it? Especially when the claims are quite bold.

 

[disastermouse]

You're right, the placebo effect really is a wonderful thing at times, I'd just rather not pay for it!  


A fair one, expectation does often have a profound affect. Expecting physical proof of something working isn't much of an ask though, is it? Especially when the claims are quite bold.

If it's based on prior tech, those studies outside this specific application may apply. They're launching pre-orders from Indiegogo, so I doubt that they're flush with cash.

There are first impressions from CES.

 

[disastermouse]

Preorders went up yesterday. I should get my unit in June.

 

[Bloos]

The Verge had a hands-on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uHbLqaj0GA

 

[disastermouse]

The Verge had a hands-on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uHbLqaj0GA

So did these guys:
 
http://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/earphones-that-get-you-high
 
And these guys and gals:
 
http://futurism.com/this-startup-gets-you-high-on-dopamine-no-exercise-required/