NEED a good 2.1 System, Can't figure out which ones I really want...
Oct 18, 2010 at 1:44 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 22

Ascari

New Head-Fier
Joined
Jul 8, 2010
Posts
28
Likes
10
So I have been all over the internet and these forums specifically and cannot find out where I can get Swan speakers.  I want a 2.1 system for primarily music, movies, and some gaming as well.  Shooting games, so I need some decent bass, but I don't want to sacrifice midrange and highs just to have bass.  That being said...I really want to have them all, or the closest I can come.  I was considering the following:
 
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
 
Edifier S330D
 
Acoustic Energy Aego M 2.1
 
If it helps, I will primarily be playing first person shooter games, and music is all over the place.  I need something that can give me *acceptable* (bumpin is desireable
smily_headphones1.gif
  ) bass for techno and rap, but can still make me happy listening to classical music.  I understand that speakers like this are usually harder to find in my pricerange but I'd like to get as close as I can.
 
ALSO:  From what I can tell Swan(s) speaker systems are usually bass shy, but the particular models that I was looking at have separate subwoofers (legit ones for the floor, not the M10 desktop sub...) but I cannot find these anywhere!  I can't even figure out if they are in my price range so if any of you know either the prices of or even better where to buy the:
 
Swan M20W
 
Swan M50W
 
I would really appreciate it...they are so beautiful.
 
Thanks so much for any and all help in advance!
 
Nov 12, 2010 at 11:46 PM Post #2 of 22
Funny you should mention this topic; I just spent the better part of 2 months scouring the internet trying to find the same thing.  Seems you can get 100 different crappy sets of computer speakers, but quality ones are very rare indeed.  Here's some info about the systems you mentioned...

Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 - The grandfather of the "high end" 2.1 speaker systems. They've been around for close to a decade now it seems.  Decent bass, mostly clear and the subwoofer is not all that large.  Mid's and high's leave a lot to be desired though.

Edifier S330D - Certainly looks sharp, but I've never heard them myself.  I did find a alarming number of posts in other places that mentioned quality issues.

Acoustic Energy Aego M 2.1 - AE makes some very highly regarded speakers, and for me this system was in the top 3 of the ones I was going to buy, but at $300 I had a hard time justifying the price.  It might have been better if I had bought these, as you'll see when I discuss the Swans M20W's I ultimately purchased.
 
> If it helps, I will primarily be playing first person shooter
> games, and music is all over the place.  I need something that can
> give me *acceptable* (bumpin is desireable) bass for techno and
> rap, but can still make me happy listening to classical music.

That's a tall order; games, techno/rap and classical are so vastly different that I seriously doubt you'll find anything that can do all that well.
 
> I understand that speakers like this are usually harder to find in
> my pricerange but I'd like to get as close as I can.

What exactly is your price range?
 
> ALSO:  From what I can tell Swan(s) speaker systems are usually
> bass shy, but the particular models that I was looking at have
> separate subwoofers (legit ones for the floor, not the M10 desktop
> sub...)

The M10 is definitely bass "shy".  AAMOF, the subwoofer -- if you can even call it that -- is specifically designed to be placed on the desktop with the satellites, so I can pretty much say with certainty that the M10 is not for you.
 
> but I cannot find these anywhere!  I can't even figure out if they
> are in my price range so if any of you know either the prices of or
> even better where to buy the: Swan M20W, Swan M50W. I would really
> appreciate it...they are so beautiful.

The Swans definitely look and sound beautiful, and are VERY hard to find in this country.  theaudioinsider.com is one of there US distributors, but they don't carry either of those. trax-audio.com is another one of Swans 5 distributors -- yup, that's right, Swans has only 5 authorized distributors for all of North America -- and is the place I bought my M20W's from. They were $150.  The guy I dealt with is named Jeff Ostler (jefftrax@gmail.com). Based upon what you need I don't know if the M20W is going to do it for you though.  I suspect the M50W, which is $250 I think, might be the wiser choice.

The M20W does have much better bass then the M10, once they're broken in of course.  However, the amp overheats if pushed hard for too long.  I'm not certain your gaming would do it, but the rap/techno almost certainly would.  I don't listen to my music at ear-bleeding levels, because it's just not my thing, but I will listen to it at an "aggressive" volume on occasion.
 
One of my favorite albums of all time is Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon.  If you're a fan of the album you know that in order to fully enjoy it the volume must be turned up some.  The M20W's sub can't get through the entire CD if I'm pushing them; it overheats.  When that happens the speaker begins to sound like it's "blown", and if you don't lower the volume the sub starts to cut out. If you turn it down, and allow the amp to cool, then the sound comes back.  Since rap/techno is often quite bass heavy you might encounter the same thing.

Truth be told, this problem is terribly disappointing for me.  Swans is known for some very expensive high-end speakers, so for them to have a problem like that is surprising.  And given the fact the M20W is like 6 model years old it's even more perplexing; you would assume they had fixed this problem a long time ago.  I also have a set of Swans M12's, which are an earlier version of 2.1 speakers from them.  That amp gets warm too, but it's never overheated on me once (which is why I bought the M20W's in the first place, because I loved the M12's and figured it would be an upgrade).

The M50W's subwoofer is bigger in all respects, so it might not suffer from the same problem when driven hard (like your music probably will) but I can't say for sure because I don't have the M50W.  In spite of the overheating flaw I still like the sound of the M20W's.  The clarity and precision is amazing.  Because the satellites have no tweeter the very highest notes lack a little bit of "sparkle" but I often find myself still quite impressed with the detail I hear, something you just don't get from most other 2.1 systems.
 
If you opt to go in another direction, and don't want to buy anything mentioned above, I have maybe another half dozen high end 2.1 systems I can give you links for.  All of them are from companies with reputations for good sounding systems.
 
Nov 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM Post #3 of 22
[size=x-small]theJman thats some seriously helpful info you listed there. I too am in a similar situation as the OP. I am looking for some new 2.0 or 2.1 PC audio speakers for my desktop. I am new to this forum so I hope it is ok if I jump on this thread also in regards to this topic. My only difference is that I would be only really using the speakers for music and the occasional movie. I mainly listen to Rock and Metal styles of music so im not even sure if I need a subwoofer for this style of music, ( althought maybe it cant hurt ? :p )[/size]
 
[size=x-small]theJman , at the end of your post you stated you might be able to list several possible speaker options that might be really helpful for us noobs in the market for these pc speakers ? :D[/size]
[size=x-small]as it stands the current options i've been looking at are as follows ( my budget is between $200 - $350ish AUD which is pretty close to the USD currency at the moment hehe )[/size]
 
 
 
Audioengine A2 or A5 ( are these any good ? im not even sure If I would need the A5 as I would be practically sitting right infront of the speakers on my desktop )
 
 
Harman Kardon SoundSticks II ( they look so cool lol, but some people were saying they sound pretty good for the price )
 
 
Klipsch Promedia 2.1 ( heard these mentioned on a few sites )
 
 
I am completely open to other options of course hehe. So yer any comments or advice would seriously be greatly appreciated :D and I apologize if I have posted this in a wrong section
Cheers guys :D !
 
Nov 14, 2010 at 3:58 AM Post #4 of 22
thJman:
 
Thank you so much for such an extensive answer, I had just about given up on this thread.  I wholeheartedly agree with what you said above about finding all of those in one speaker; I understand it is essentially an unrealistic request but one can only dream :)  What I agree with more, however, is that Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon NEEDS TO BE CRANKED!  Unfortunately my unreasonably diverse music taste makes speakers hard to find, but I really appreciate your suggestions.  As of this point I am probably trying to keep the speakers under $350.
 
My question would be, and my guess is no, but do you know of anybody who has the M50W's and whether or not they have the same problem?  When purchasing my headphones I decided to go with something a little bit more bass shy in order to get in my opinion pretty fantastic mids and highs (Audio Technica M50's).  I love them to death but sometimes I miss bass.  Where I am at I would like to have something that is good all around, but a little more emphasis on the bass this time.  Do you think the M50's would accomplish this?  The sub specs list 38hz to 120hz (even though the M20's are 20hz-120hz).  On a different note, the Aego's are 50hz to 250hz.
 
I'm leaning toward the Swans M50W's but hesitate based on your description of the overheating.  Just out of curiosity what was the third speaker in your top 3 that you were considering.
 
~Thanks again for all of the help!  I really appreciate how thorough your response was :)
 
The Cringe:
 
As for the audioengine A5, I have determined that for my needs I really do need a separate subwoofer.  You said metal, and usually I would say that more bass in metal and rock is good (not sure how others feel about this though) because you will hear the kick drum better and feel the bass guitar more which usually sets the pace for the song along with the drums.  My friend has the Harman Kardon SoundSticks II and they are nice, but I feel the bass is boomy.  They do look really cool though, the sub has a blue LED in it that looks pretty sweet.
 
Nov 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM Post #5 of 22
> theJman thats some seriously helpful info you listed there
 
I'm glad I was able to help.
 

> My only difference is that I would be only really using the
> speakers for music and the occasional movie. I mainly listen to
> Rock and Metal styles of music so im not even sure if I need a
> subwoofer for this style of music, ( althought maybe it cant hurt ?
 
Due to the size of most satellites -- rather small -- you would probably be better off getting a subwoofer too.  I listen to a lot of rock/metal bands myself, so I'm quite familiar with that type of music.  If the bottom end was missing a lot of the dynamics would be lost as well, which would probably neuter the "aggressive" nature of the music.
 

> theJman , at the end of your post you stated you might be able to
> list several possible speaker options that might be really helpful
> for us noobs in the market for these pc speakers ? :D as it stands
> the current options i've been looking at are as follows ( my budget
> is between $200 - $350ish AUD which is pretty close to the USD
> currency at the moment hehe )
 
Some of these probably won't meet your price target, but they are all well regarded systems:
 
Sony SRS-DB500
{most people don't think Sony makes speakers -- and they have very few to be honest -- but this set is pretty solid}
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665801072
 
Axiom AudioByte V3
{has a goofy looking external amp, and you need to spend $200 more to get a sub, but Axiom is a solid name}
http://www.axiomaudio.com/audiobytecomputerspeakers.html
 
Avi Neutron 5
{have a lot of money to spend? I mean a lot? this system might be for you}
http://www.avihifi.co.uk/neutron.html
 
Blue Sky
{some odd design choices -- what's with the cheap looking remote? -- but the sound quality is definitely good}
MediaDesk MKII - http://abluesky.com/products/mediadesk-2-1-mkii/
eXo2 - http://abluesky.com/products/exo2-new/
 
Focal
{good quality company and a price to match, but Focal's have nice sound}
XS 2.1 - http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=JMXS2%2E1
 
Jamo
{these aren't available in the US any longer, but they can still be purchased elsewhere}
i300 - http://www.jamo.com/eu-en/products/i300-description/
 
Genelec
{think the AVI's were expensive? they are, but these speakers beat them by a long shot. try $1200 US. Genelec makes some of the best monitors money can buy, and they better because of how much they cost}
6010A & 5040A - http://www.genelec.com/firststep/
 
NuForce
{not terribly well know, but supposedly a decent set of speakers. i can't say much about them myself though, because i don't have any personal experience with the company}
W1 - http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/subwoofer/index.php
 
Boston Acoustics
{tiny satellites, but they're coaxial so the sound should be full}
SoundWare XS - http://www.bostonacoustics.com/SoundWare-XS-21-Stereo-Speaker-System-P624.aspx
 
Audio Pro
{only real difference between these two is one of them is wireless, while the other is not}
ADDON THREE - http://audiopro.com/templates/audio_pro_products/?id_products=524
ADDON FOUR - http://audiopro.com/templates/audio_pro_products/?id_products=543#
 

 
> Audioengine A2 or A5 ( are these any good ? im not even sure If I
> would need the A5 as I would be practically sitting right infront
> of the speakers on my desktop )
 
Audioengine makes fantastic speakers, and you won't go wrong with either of these.  The A2 will not satisfy your bass needs without a sub.  The A5 might, since you're sitting "near field", but it will still probably seem a bit lacking to you.  Both of those are monitors though.
 
A 'monitor' is different from a normal loudspeaker.  They don't "color" or add any unnatural emphasis to the sound reproduction, like pumping up the mid-bas to make songs appear to have more depth. Because of that music tends to seem a bit different the first time you listen to a monitor like the Audioengine.  However, once you get used to it the music actually sounds better becasue you're hearing it in the same manner as the engineer originally mixed it.  Ever see a picture of a recording studio and noticed the little speakers next to the mix board that had no grills on them?  Those are monitors, just like the Audioengine's (they may even be Audioengine's).
 

> Harman Kardon SoundSticks II ( they look so cool lol, but some
> people were saying they sound pretty good for the price )
 
Most things from HK are going to be pretty decent, but for some reason they don't have very many products now.  Unlike you I don't really like the appearance of the SoundSticks, but from what I've read they should sound good.
 

> Klipsch Promedia 2.1 ( heard these mentioned on a few sites )
 
See my comments above on the Promedia.
 
Nov 15, 2010 at 1:28 PM Post #6 of 22
> Thank you so much for such an extensive answer, I had just about
> given up on this thread.

You're welcome.
 
 
> My question would be, and my guess is no, but do you know of
> anybody who has the M50W's and whether or not they have the same
> problem?

I don't know of a single person who owns anything from Swans. Frankly, they haven't really gotten their whole US distribution network setup all that efficiently, so they are very difficult to come by.
 
 
> Where I am at I would like to have something that is good all
> around, but a little more emphasis on the bass this time.  Do you
> think the M50's would accomplish this?  The sub specs list 38hz to
> 120hz (even though the M20's are 20hz-120hz).  On a different note,
> the Aego's are 50hz to 250hz.

Actually, in order to reproduce the music the way it was initially intended you don't want an emphasis on any portion of the frequency range.  Speakers should merely reproduce sound, not "enhance" it. But I think I know what you mean.

The M20W I have now does produce a decent amount of bass, when the recorded material has it of course.  The M50W has a bigger speaker element, a more powerful amp, a larger cabinet structure and a tuned port.  Add all of those up and the bass should be far more prodigious.

Judging by how the M20W's work I would imagine you might even get some "feel" from the M50W's subwoofer as well.  But remember, I'm talking about real bass here, not some faux rumble from over-emphasized mid bass designed to fool you into thinking the subwoofer is doing it's job, so the effect might be more subtle.
 
 
> I'm leaning toward the Swans M50W's but hesitate based on your
> description of the overheating.

I can't help you there -- that's a decision you'll have to make.  I can tell you that I did order a set of the M50W's to use with one of my TV's, so myself personally I think it's worth the $250 gamble. But you're opinion could differ from mine.
 
 
> Just out of curiosity what was the third speaker in your top 3 that
> you were considering.

The remaining entry from my wish list wasn't the number 3 speaker, it was really my number 1.  But that's the "d@mn, I wish I had more money" choice.  It was going to be a mix-and-match kind of setup, choosing one satellite and one subwoofer from these groups (listed in alphabetical order):

Satellites
Audioengine A2 - http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-2#overview
Behringer MS 40 - http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MS40.aspx
Focal CMS 40 - http://www.focalprofessional.com/en/cms-line/cms-40.php
Genelec 8020B - http://www.genelecusa.com/products/2-way-monitors/8020b/
M-Audio AV30 - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/StudiophileAV30.html
NHT M 00 - http://www.nhthifi.com/NHT-M00?sc=12&category=3781
Swans D1010MKII 08 - http://www.swanspeaker.com/products/products.aspx?cid=5&sid=0&pid=15
Tascam VL A4 - http://tascam.com/product/vl-a5/overview/
{Note that these are all powered (active) satellites/monitors. That's the only way you can build a 2.1 system yourself, because very few subwoofers can power satellites}

Subwoofers
Energy ESW M6 - http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en/products/esw-m6-overview/
Jamo Sub 800 - http://www.jamo.com/na-en/products/sub-800-description/
Mirage MM 6 - http://www.miragespeakers.com/na-en/products/mm-6-overview/
NXG NX-PROMINISUB - http://www.nxgtechnology.com/nxg_speakers.html
Pinnacle SUBcompact6 - http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/subcompact6.html
Pinnacle SubSonic - http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/subsonic.html
Velodyne Impact Mini - http://velodyne.com/vproducts/series.aspx?seriesid=1221
Velodyne MicroVee - http://velodyne.com/vproducts/series.aspx?seriesid=1214
 
Nov 17, 2010 at 2:20 AM Post #7 of 22
Wow!  Thank you so much again for such an extensive answer!!!  I contacted Jeff Ostler and unfortunately they don't have the M50W's and won't until probably January next year.  I think for now I'm just going to go around testing various speakers in stores (including the list you just presented me) and others and see what happens.  I want speakers really badly, but I can wait until January at least, or if I fall in love with a pair I sample then go with those.  I thought I was nearing the end of my search, but it appears it has just begun :wink:   Oh well.  Thanks again so much for all of the help!
 
Nov 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM Post #8 of 22
The edifier S730 is a good 2.1 set, very clear spacious highs , clear midrange and  tight powerful bass , the bass is not at all boomy unless you pass volume 50 and go on it boast then it gets a little boomy, it only responds to the bass in the track and doesn't add a mid-low bass hump like most 2.1 sets, also i've had mine all the way to past volume 50 to boost and it doesn't overheat or anything.
 
Nov 18, 2010 at 2:37 PM Post #9 of 22
wow, I cant say enough how thankful I am for this great info guys. Thanks again to all :D.
 
thJman - I went and checked out all of those products you listed, some of them look awesome.
I think im going to take your advice and settle for a good value 2.1 ( with sub ) setup and look into getting a much higher end setup abit down the track.
Right now im between the following 2.1 setups.
 
altec lansing MX6021
 
Sony SRS-DB500
 
edifier S730
 
I was wondering thJman, have you ever heard anything about the altec lansing MX6021 2.1 set ? or the edifier S730 ?
 
http://www.alteclansing.com/ae/us/computer-speakers/expressionist+0153-ultra-mx6021/invt/mx6021/&bklist=icat,3,shop,computerspeakers
 
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/review/home_entertainment/edifier/s730/224790
( you have to click on the next image to actually see the speakers )
 
Right now im leaning towards the Sony's.
 
Once again I would like to thank you guys for taking the time to help a fellow consumer spend his hard earned money wisely hehe.
 
:)
 
Nov 18, 2010 at 6:12 PM Post #10 of 22
Man, did you pick some vastly different looking systems.  Your taste is far more varied them mine is... 
biggrin.gif

 
> altec lansing MX6021
 
The Altec of today is not the Altec of a few years back, so if you're familiar with what they used to be you might not be terribly pleased with what they've become.  But that being said... there recent systems are generally well regarded by the people who purchase them so it might be a fine setup.  I wouldn't expect Swans-level accuracy or detail, but they may produce sound just fine.  I can't say for certain though because I haven't heard them myself.
 
 
> Sony SRS-DB500
 
For what these are they don't sound half bad.  Not the most common set of speakers out there, but they might just do the trick for you.
 
 
> edifier S730
 
They certainly look nice, but personally I've read a few too many complaints about quality to be completely comfortable.  I don't remember what they cost, but wasn't the 730 a bit on the expensive side?  I know the subwoofer is massive, by comparison -- bigger then a lot of home theater subs -- but with a 10" woofer and passive radiator I would imagine the bass is prominent.
 
Nov 18, 2010 at 6:48 PM Post #11 of 22
Theres reviews of them here,
 
http://www.trustedreviews.com/multimedia/review/2009/10/12/Altec-Lansing-Expressionist-Ultra-Speakers/p1
 
http://www.trustedreviews.com/multimedia/review/2010/01/27/Sony-SRS-DB500/p1
 
i wouldn't buy either of them a good alternative is
 
Creative GigaWorks T3
http://www.trustedreviews.com/multimedia/review/2008/10/28/Creative-GigaWorks-T3-2-1-Channel-Speakers/p1
 
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=117002&pn=1
 
Haven't heard it but it gets good reviews everywhere ,
 
I have the edifier s730 myself, only problem is a very slight lack of midrange it's a very nice speaker set to listen to though, the 1.5" silk dome tweeters are so detailed and have a wide spacious sound and are never too harsh or too smooth , nicest sounding tweeters i've ever heard, the 3.25" midrange drivers are also very clear and detailed and do provide a bit of thump but sometimes not enough, the sub only respondes to the bass in the music there is no mid-low hump, it's very clean and tight bass not boomy and you can hear and feel every note, it easily fills any room with bass. It will bump very well when you need it to and the clearness and clairty of the desktop speakers will be good for classical music.
I don't understand what is wrong with quality???? , don't be fooled by the size of the woofer as i said before it only responces to the bass it is given it doesn't seem to add any, if the bass is prominent  in the track then yes bass will be prominent   though the sub and you will feel it, but you can select the woofer volume on the control pod -10 to +10 , even at +10 it still refuses to add bass that isn't there in the track it just makes the bass it is given louder, yes it's expensive i paid £239 for mine but it's worth it and defently a quality 2.1 set.
 
 
Nov 19, 2010 at 6:13 AM Post #12 of 22
The Edifier S730 is one good speaker system. Just to let you all know, the S730 works best with movies. Music performance is a little weak with the S730.
 
A better alternative would be the Edifier S530D. Smaller brother but the bass is much smoother. And that's the only difference in sound quality. Smoother bass. Other than that is exactly similar to the big brother S730.
 
Quality issue isn't a problem with Edifier. Never heard any Edifier's in Malaysia struggling with quality.(probably the US versions might struggle this problem) They may buzz or crackle. You can solve that with some power regulator.
 
never consider the new Altec Lansing. Their product quality degrade badly. Crappy capacitors. Plus their speakers are mostly designed to look beautiful but doesn't sound beautiful.
If you manage to find classic Altecs,you can consider that.
 
Still, if you ask me I'd recommend AE Aego M,Harman Kardon Soundsticks II, or Creative T3
 
Nov 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM Post #14 of 22
My comments regarding Edifier having less then stellar quality are derived from multiple posts I've read in several forums/testing sites.  They were directed at more then one of their products too.  While I never noticed an "everything they make is garbage!" kind of situation, there just seemed to be a higher then average number of users who weren't happy with the general quality or longevity.
 
You may have have gotten a good set of speakers from them -- perhaps most of the ones they sell are -- but my personal feelings are when I see that much dissatisfaction I assume there's some truth to it, so I tend to be cautious.
 
Nov 19, 2010 at 1:29 PM Post #15 of 22
I thought you were on about just the s730, the s730 is a very good quality 2.1 set the speakers actually have some weight to them and are nicely finished there is no quality issues i've found, maybe there cheaper sets do have quality issues but there made on a tighter budgets from cheaper parts.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top