Peyotero
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So it was 3am and I forgive you
. You missed my point in that paragraph where you thought I called you a scammer. What why would I? I'm on your side. Please re-read at 8:00/9:00AM after a tasty breakfest
My actual point was that if someone is trying to sell/make a wrongly made cable and call it "litz braid", before this kind of bubble bursting thread then he is just ignorant because he doesn't know he's doing it wrong (since everybody and his sister makes it same way).
But now, with a thread like this, where the flaw/blunt mistake was discovered if I'd try to make a cable that way and call it "litz braid" I'd be liying to myself. That's still fine though, ppl do it everyday. But the moment I try to sell it saying "it's litz braided", I'd be a scammer. The guy who invented/suggested this Litz braid made it with a specific configuration for a specific purpose. If I do it completley wrong, it ceases to be "litz braid" and becomes just a "braid".
But i'm not really flaming anyone (just the way I talk). Its easy to understand how this mistake accured and turned into a fasion. Not to many ppl readed that faq on chimera lab's page. Most folks (meself included) just googled/was reffered by someone else to it for instructions on how to do this particular braid. And on that page he just braids one of the channels of RCA. So peeps just picked it up from there and instead of making an 8 conductor stereo cable they've made a stereo cable out of 4 conductor MONO configuration. Relatively simple to do, relatively fast to do and relatively economical! So why the hell not? Well why not besides the fact that you're doing it wrong and by trying to get some work-around-shielding get some crosstalk party with it.
This is also why not to many ppl jumping all over this thread screaming OMG you're right/OMG you're wrong. It's a little embarrasing. Peeps repeated the same mistake years upon years.
As for the "neutrik magic"
yeah I know It can be done, it's just that I never tried to fit two separate 4 conductor braids in there.. Although the plug might be fine, especialy if drilled, but I actually thought heatshrinking the two braids seperatly and entierly so that they won't have any contact with eachother and then some nylon sleeve over them.. I imagine it should work. Just need a huge sleeve... two techflex runs ander the nylon sleeve would be easier to work with, I guess.
That config might be good for interconnects but I wonder if shielding is even that needed in a hedphone cable. If not, I could get away with just 4-conductors-twisted-in pairs-and-heatshrinked-seperatly combo...
EDIT: J.D.N@ I'd really like to think that this Starquad Canare I used yesterday for my porta's is perfectly fine (since I freaking love that thing) but les_garten put doubts in me..
But then if I got fsma's idea right, starquad used this way should be fine (correct me if I'm wrong).
Personaly I still feel it's not a good idea to run two signals in such a close proximity to each other, paralel or not..
| Originally Posted by fsma /img/forum/go_quote.gif First of all, how am I a scammer? do you see me attempting to sell anything? does it look like anything was done in that other thread that indicated anything other than an attempt to enlighten someone with a mean of selling a cable that did not induce crosstalk? second, I dont seem to have trouble fitting heatshrink and (not techflex, that just feels cheap and plastic-like), nylon multifilament and yes it all fits into that tiny neutrik connector, its a magic trick I do, wanna see how? Few simple rules for those of us who are wanting to learn: 1. 8 wires can fit in a tiny neutrik connector 2. however you are building your cable, unless you can cross signals at a 90 degree angle (or there abouts atleast), if you can't, then dont cross them. plain and simple. 3. if braiding, braid it as loose as you possibly can. a cable is not alike a woman, you want it loose as a goose, to allow air dielectrics as well as to keep the wires from touching one another as little as possible. 4. Upon finishing your cable, don't immediately listen to death metal, or R&B/rap and then say that you cannot hear a difference, no duh you can't, thats not hi-fi audio to begin with. put on some classical/jazz or classic rock for that matter. if I'm coming off arogant at all I apologize, posts like the one I quote get on my nerves and its 3am so Im tired enough to express it. |
So it was 3am and I forgive you
My actual point was that if someone is trying to sell/make a wrongly made cable and call it "litz braid", before this kind of bubble bursting thread then he is just ignorant because he doesn't know he's doing it wrong (since everybody and his sister makes it same way).
But now, with a thread like this, where the flaw/blunt mistake was discovered if I'd try to make a cable that way and call it "litz braid" I'd be liying to myself. That's still fine though, ppl do it everyday. But the moment I try to sell it saying "it's litz braided", I'd be a scammer. The guy who invented/suggested this Litz braid made it with a specific configuration for a specific purpose. If I do it completley wrong, it ceases to be "litz braid" and becomes just a "braid".
But i'm not really flaming anyone (just the way I talk). Its easy to understand how this mistake accured and turned into a fasion. Not to many ppl readed that faq on chimera lab's page. Most folks (meself included) just googled/was reffered by someone else to it for instructions on how to do this particular braid. And on that page he just braids one of the channels of RCA. So peeps just picked it up from there and instead of making an 8 conductor stereo cable they've made a stereo cable out of 4 conductor MONO configuration. Relatively simple to do, relatively fast to do and relatively economical! So why the hell not? Well why not besides the fact that you're doing it wrong and by trying to get some work-around-shielding get some crosstalk party with it.
This is also why not to many ppl jumping all over this thread screaming OMG you're right/OMG you're wrong. It's a little embarrasing. Peeps repeated the same mistake years upon years.
As for the "neutrik magic"
That config might be good for interconnects but I wonder if shielding is even that needed in a hedphone cable. If not, I could get away with just 4-conductors-twisted-in pairs-and-heatshrinked-seperatly combo...
EDIT: J.D.N@ I'd really like to think that this Starquad Canare I used yesterday for my porta's is perfectly fine (since I freaking love that thing) but les_garten put doubts in me..
But then if I got fsma's idea right, starquad used this way should be fine (correct me if I'm wrong).
Personaly I still feel it's not a good idea to run two signals in such a close proximity to each other, paralel or not..
