Monster Cable Sues Blue Jeans Cable
Apr 14, 2008 at 2:10 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 23

roadtonowhere08

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Here is the Audioholics thread link, as this is where all the updates will be happening.

Monster Cable Sues Blue Jeans Cable - Audioholics Home Theater Forums

I know, Monster suing people, been there, done that. What makes this funny is that Kurt, the owner of BJC, is a former litigation attorney.
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Monster stepped in it this time...
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 2:19 AM Post #2 of 23
Hah...I hope Monster gets worked...
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 2:25 AM Post #3 of 23
Kurt has experience in that field, I read about that myself, but in this case it seems that he will not need ot go any further, according to monster former Noel Lee, which begin making cables the same way Kurt did, the story is not true at all, read his answer to Audioholics questions in a letter...I will post the info below is if it not appropriate please delete it....

"...Noel Lee, CEO of Monster Cable Products has issued an official response regarding recent negative publicity related to trademark issues and corporate usage of the word "Monster". The following statement was sent to us directly from their legal department and we were issued permission to reprint it. -

Audioholics..."
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 2:49 AM Post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Kurt has experience in that field, I read about that myself, but in this case it seems that he will not need ot go any further, according to monster former Noel Lee, which begin making cables the same way Kurt did, the story is not true at all, read his answer to Audioholics questions in a letter...I will post the info below is if it not appropriate please delete it....

"...Noel Lee, CEO of Monster Cable Products has issued an official response regarding recent negative publicity related to trademark issues and corporate usage of the word "Monster". The following statement was sent to us directly from their legal department and we were issued permission to reprint it. -

Audioholics..."



Nothing about BJC was mentioned in that response. Kurt will release a letter that will be posted on Audioholics tomorrow (Mon) detailing more about the situation.
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 3:01 AM Post #5 of 23
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Nothing about BJC was mentioned in that response. Kurt will release a letter that will be posted on Audioholics tomorrow (Mon) detailing more about the situation.


I read myself about Kurt problem, he posted the letters he received in the BJ web IIRC as well, i was nto able to find them today though, but it could be sent by any other party, or a joke or who knows, do you have the link to the discussion in which he posted the details, please I would like to be updated about this issue, I'm a user of BJC cables for years, and honestly I would like this to be not true...

Well IMO this was a general letter (even was linked from one of the Audiholics discussion) in the letter he is denying all information about sues, all of them, and IMO that includes also the BJC one, or not?...

They say that they have never sued anybody nor will do it, that is what they say in the first two paragrphs, please do not kill the messenger, that is what is said there, if you read along the lines...


"...There have been alot of rumors, misinformation, and false accusations spread on the web about Monster Cable and its trademark and brand protection efforts. We have been wrongfully accused of suing any company using the "Monster" name, and as being a "corporate bully."

Anyone who knows our company, or me personally, knows that we are not that kind of company, and I am not that kind of person. The information out there is categorically untrue..."
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 3:39 AM Post #6 of 23
there's no lawsuit. it's just a letter from a monster attorney, which means at most that they are contemplating legal action.
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 4:10 AM Post #7 of 23
There will likely not be a lawsuit, as it is nonsense. Apologies about the incorrect title. The link to the letter is here:

Monster cable correspondence

The major gist of it is the Tartan line from BJC is being targeted by Monster for patent infringement. Problem is either the patent is interpreted strictly and the RCA connector under the Tarten line is not identical to the one in the patent or it is interpreted loosely and it includes a LOT of generic or OEM RCA connectors. Problem is, that patent has expired, so it is a moot point.

As said by Kurt:

"Now, to go back to another issue you raised: yes, it's true that this threat of litigation is not the "we-sue-any-business-with-monster-in-the-name" type made famous by Monster Vintage, Monster Garage, et cetera. The threat of litigation is based upon design patents and trademarks. But it seems to me that you have suggested that we are saying Monster doesn't deserve the protection of the intellectual property laws; we are not saying that at all. Rather, what we are saying (and will say in considerably more detail within the next few days, when we publish our response letter to Monster) is that Monster's position that we have infringed these patents and trademarks is completely ludicrous. The patents and marks they cite are substantially different from the Tartan connector, and if one construed them broadly enough to cover the Tartan connector, it would effectively grant Monster a design patent on the whole field of solder-pin, assembly-type RCA connectors.

The quick way to see this is to compare the patent drawings accompanying the letter with the actual Tartan connector. But it actually gets much worse than that, as my letter will show. Monster's counsel strategically omitted certain facts from the letter--in particular, an expired design patent which represents "prior art" and of which Monster must have known (because it had been theirs). The claim that we have committed infringement is not only frivolous, but outright dishonest, and it is just another manifestation of the abusive attitude toward the intellectual property laws Monster has shown again and again."


I personally hope it does not go to trial (wasted money), rather, the settlement is that Monster has to publicly retract these accusations. We shall see...
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 7:33 AM Post #8 of 23
Is anyone reading the audioholics thread? some steve guy is trolling the hell out of the owner of blue jeans cable because he dares buy chinese cables and sell them under the tartan line!

The blue jeans cable guy basically is completely reasonable but steve cant help but hassle BJC and he even mentions how he agrees with monster here. what an idiot.
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM Post #9 of 23
I'm not surprised. Monster has become nothing more than a marketing company using what was once a strong brand to lure the unsuspecting in Lowes and Home Depot into paying more for less.
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 6:10 PM Post #10 of 23
As the World Turns...
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 6:11 PM Post #11 of 23
I'm dying to try Monster's new Beats by Dr. Dre headphones, I'm sure they are worth every penny Monster will squeeze out of the market...
 
Apr 14, 2008 at 8:21 PM Post #12 of 23
If this actually goes down, this will "under the radar" be a fairly monumental point in the audio world. In which, a conglomerate Monster (pun intended, lol), will actually be in the wrong and thus pave the road for many other smaller audio companies to come up and finally get some exposure, either directly or indirectly, especially cable companies.
 
Apr 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM Post #13 of 23
Well, all I can say is that a couple of weeks ago Blue Jeans had removed the Tartan stuff from its site, and now it's up there again. That has to mean something.
 
Apr 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM Post #15 of 23
Blue Jeans' response reproduced in full below. I believe this is known, in legal terminology, as a bitch-slap.
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RE: Your letter, received April Fools' Day

Dear Monster Lawyers,

Let me begin by stating, without equivocation, that I have no interest whatsoever in infringing upon any intellectual property belonging to Monster Cable. Indeed, the less my customers think my products resemble Monster's, in form or in function, the better.

I am evaluating your claim that the connectors on certain Tartan brand products infringe Monster's design patents and trademarks. However, the information supplied with your letter is plainly inadequate to support a claim of infringement and so I am writing to you to ask for further information and clarification regarding your claims.

I will begin by addressing your trademark/trade dress claim. You have referred to two trademark registrations, and have attached some printouts from the USPTO system but the depiction of the marks on the drawings provided is small and indistinct, making it difficult to determine exactly what the alleged resemblance is, and I need further information from you.

First, I need legible, scale drawings of the marks, preferably with dimensions shown on the drawing. To the extent that drawings are inadequate to show the nature of materials, finishes, print legends, colors and the like, I will also need examples of each of Monster Cable's actual uses of these marks in commerce; actual physical examples would be best, but photographic reproductions might do. As you will understand, these considerations are essential to any claim arising out of trade dress, as you are alleging in essence that there is a resemblance sufficient to cause confusion over the identity or origin of the goods, and no mere line-drawing can suffice.

Second, I will need copies of the trademark applications and any correspondence between the applicant and the USPTO in support of the applications.

Third, you have not identified the Monster Cable products in question, in actual use and distribution in commerce, whose trade dress you allege has been appropriated. I have reviewed Monster Cable's online materials and have examined connectors on various Monster Cable assemblies in local retail outlets and am unable to determine which, if any, of these are thought by Monster to represent use of these particular marks. I am also unable to determine from this review whether Monster Cable actually offers any product for sale to which the Tartan connectors are alleged to be particularly similar. My own sense of it, in looking at the connectors, has been that there is no similarity between the Tartan connectors and any of the many Monster Cable connectors beyond the general functional and conventional characteristics which all or nearly all solder-cup, mechanical-assembly, barrel-style RCA-type connectors share. It may be that there is some line of products to which you have intended to refer but which I have not found in Monster Cable's marketing materials or displays; but if so, you will need to show me specifically what product it is, and you will need to call to my attention the specific aspects of the connector design which you contend constitute unique Monster Cable trade dress, what the associated secondary meaning of those aspects of the trade dress is, and in what manner and by what characteristics you allege that this trade dress has been appropriated.

Fourth, if the dimensional characteristics of the connector as used in commerce vary from the dimensions of the scale drawing of your mark, I will need a proper scale drawing, with dimensions, of each version of the actual connector as used in commerce, as well as photographs of the connectors showing actual in-use finishes. If there is more than one such connector design in actual use by Monster Cable as to which appropriation of trade dress is alleged, of course, I will require this information for each and every such design.

On the basis of what I have seen, both in the USPTO documents you have sent and the actual appearance of Monster Cable connectors which I have observed in use in commerce, it does not appear to me that Monster Cable is in a position to advance a nonfrivolous claim for infringement of these marks. There simply is not sufficient resemblance between the Tartan connectors and any mark or any example of the marks' actual use that I can find to support such a claim. But if you have further information for me on that point, you are welcome to submit it.

You have also supplied me with partial documentation on five design patents which you claim these connectors infringe. I will begin by observing, first, that the five design patents are so very much unlike one another that it is very hard to imagine that any product could actually infringe more than one of them at a time; anything close enough to one of them to be deemed an infringement would, by that fact alone, be too dissimilar from the other four. The dissimilarity of the Tartan connector from each of them is readily evident.

I should add that, for the purpose of this letter, I am assuming that these patents are valid. This is in no way a concession of the point. In fact, this is a very significant and likely inaccurate assumption, and you should expect the patentability of these designs to be under attack if you commence an action for infringement.

The fact that you have presented me with five completely distinct design patents, I have to say, gives me pause. I would go over them and detail the differences between the Tartan connectors and those shown in the patents, but if you are taking the position that it appears you are taking, there might be very little point in discussing it with you. Take, for example, the patent you mark as Exhibit B. The connector shown there is substantially different from the Tartan connectors in every respect, unless one ignores design specifics and focuses on the core attributes of the connector which are dictated by function. If your view of Exhibit B is that it is to be construed broadly enough as to encompass the Tartan connector, it is very hard to imagine that there is such a thing as a solder-assembly style RCA plug which is not similarly, in your view, encompassed by this patent. And, needless to say, it is very hard to imagine that any court would ever adopt such a view of the patent's scope; if you file on this sort of basis, you are in Rule 11 frivolous-claim territory.

I will point out, though you are no doubt already well aware, that the gross morphology of the RCA plug is pretty well dictated by function. RCA plugs intended for soldering and assembly have certain attributes in common; their diameter is constrained by the need for the shell to fit over an internal set of solder points and cable clamp, and their length by the need to provide some room for cable end prep and attachment; they are generally radially symmetrical along the anterior/posterior axis owing to the need to accommodate both a round-profile cable and the round-profile RCA socket; the connector end is constrained by the standard dimensions of the RCA socket, and by the need, as the socket provides for no bayonet or screw attachment, to provide sufficient tension on insertion to maintain good mechanical and electrical contact; the barrel, grasped by the user for the purpose of insertion and removal, requires traction which is typically provided by raised or recessed rings, plastic inserts, knurling, or the like; and transition between the connector and the cable to which it is attached requires, in one form or another, a reduction in barrel size at the connector rear. It is my assumption, since you cite design patents only and no utility patents, that Monster Cable makes no claim here for any functional aspect of any of these designs; if I am wrong, please let me know what utility patents Monster Cable does hold, and what claims, if any, Monster asserts on the basis of those utility patents.

Further, on that point: one of the design patents you attached is closely related to a utility patent applicable to the same design, and you failed to point that fact out. I need to be able to rely upon the completeness and accuracy of the information you send to me and I find this sort of omission deeply disturbing because it is clear that the effect of this nondisclosure is to obscure the real significance of the patent features. Similarly, as I note further below, you omit reference to another patent Monster has held which appears, frankly, to be fatal to your position. If you expect to persuade me, you had better start making full, open and honest disclosures; I will find out the facts sooner or later in any event, but the impact upon your credibility will not be repaired. It looks like when you sent this letter, you were operating on the premise that I am not smart enough to see through your deceptions or sophisticated enough to intelligently evaluate your claims; shame on you. You are required, as a matter of legal ethics, to display good faith and professional candor in your dealings with adverse parties, and you have fallen miserably short of your ethical responsibilities.

My sense, in looking at these five patents, is that either you are attempting to present some argument that I simply do not understand or you are arguing for untenably broad coverage of these patents which would sweep every functional aspect of the typical solder-assembly RCA connector within the scope of a handful of mere design patents. You need to clarify this, and frankly, I think you need to indicate to me which, if any, of these patents you actually contend are relevant to the present discussion. It cannot possibly be that you believe that more than one of these patents is pertinent, and if you insist that they are, we cannot have an intelligent dialogue on this subject. Once you have identified the patent which you contend is relevant, I need to see the file history and the references to prior art; I need copies of the applicant's correspondence with the USPTO; and I need a clear and cogent explanation from you as to exactly what aspects of the Tartan connector design are alleged to constitute the infringement, and how.

Additionally, if you are able to identify any of these patents as applicable, please let me know whether Monster Cable presently sells, or has at any time sold, any products bearing connectors which are in conformity with the patent drawings or which are otherwise contended to be within the coverage of the patents, and identify those products for me. Please also provide photographs and/or physical examples of these connectors as manufactured and sold.

Also, please provide me all of the information referenced above as it relates to your expired patent D323643, a copy of which I am attaching. I will need to know what products Monster now offers or at any time has offered for sale which were believed to fall within the scope of D323643, and what claims, if any, of infringement of D323643 were made against others by Monster, whether those claims of infringement took the form of correspondence only, litigation, or otherwise. Please let me know which, if any, products Monster has ever sold or offered for sale which were marked with the patent number, or other reference, to D323643. Please also advise me whether, in your view, the Tartan connector does or does not fall within the scope of D323643, and if it is your view that it does not, please identify each and every difference between the Tartan connector and the connector represented by D323643 upon which your view is based. (On that note, let me point out to you that the "turbine cut" feature is irrelevant here as your client makes only functional, not design, claims for that feature in its marketing materials for the product.) I would assume that you would agree with me that if the Tartan connector is less dissimilar from the D323643 patent than from any of the five patents you cite in your letter, then the Tartan connector is within the coverage of the prior art and cannot, as a matter of law, infringe any of your client's current patents.

I must also point out that unless there is a good deal of background information you have not provided me which makes the case otherwise, Monster Cable cannot possibly square its patent infringement claim(s) with its own patent history. Two views of the matter might be taken; the first, which is my view, is that none of the design patents, including D323643, encompass the Tartan connector. If that is so, of course, the claim for infringement fails. But if one grants the sort of breadth to these patents that you appear to wish to do, a problem arises for Monster. D323643 is the least dissimilar to the Tartan connector of any of the patents, and stands as an obstacle to any claim of infringement of the others because it establishes prior art; if its scope, like the others, is granted the breadth you argue for, then the Tartan connector falls plainly under the prior art and cannot constitute an infringement of the later, and more dissimilar, patents. Read the patents narrowly, and Monster loses; read them broadly, and Monster loses. You are welcome to point out any error in my reasoning; but I have to say that I will be unreservedly surprised if you are successful in doing so.

Please also let me know whether Monster Cable or any related entity has brought actions to enforce any of the patents and trademarks referenced in your letter or above, and provide me with the jurisdiction, court and docket information pertaining thereto, along with copies of any decisions or judgments resulting therefrom. If any such litigation proceeded through discovery, I will need all discovery responses, including document production, issued by Monster, as well as copies of any and all depositions taken and the exhibits thereto.

Further, if any of these patents or trademarks has been licensed to any entity, please provide me with copies of the licensing agreements. I assume that Monster Cable International, Ltd., in Bermuda, listed on these patents, is an IP holding company and that Monster Cable's principal US entity pays licensing fees to the Bermuda corporation in order to shift income out of the United States and thereby avoid paying United States federal income tax on those portions of its income; my request for these licensing agreements is specifically intended to include any licensing agreements, including those with closely related or sham entities, within or without the Monster Cable "family," and without regard to whether those licensing agreements are sham transactions for tax shelter purposes only or whether they are bona fide arm's-length transactions.

Once I have received the above materials and explanations from you, I will undertake to analyze this information and let you know whether we are willing to accede to any of the demands made in your letter. If my analysis shows that there is any reasonable likelihood that we have infringed in any way any of Monster Cable's intellectual property rights, we will of course take any and all action necessary to resolve the situation. If I do not hear from you within the next fourteen days, or if I do hear from you but do not receive all of the information requested above, I will assume that you have abandoned these claims and closed your file.

As for your requests for information, or for action, directed to me: I would remind you that it is you, not I, who are making claims; and it is you, not I, who must substantiate those claims. You have not done so.

I have seen Monster Cable take untenable IP positions in various different scenarios in the past, and am generally familiar with what seems to be Monster Cable's modus operandi in these matters. I therefore think that it is important that, before closing, I make you aware of a few points.

After graduating from the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 1985, I spent nineteen years in litigation practice, with a focus upon federal litigation involving large damages and complex issues. My first seven years were spent primarily on the defense side, where I developed an intense frustration with insurance carriers who would settle meritless claims for nuisance value when the better long-term view would have been to fight against vexatious litigation as a matter of principle. In plaintiffs' practice, likewise, I was always a strong advocate of standing upon principle and taking cases all the way to judgment, even when substantial offers of settlement were on the table. I am "uncompromising" in the most literal sense of the word. If Monster Cable proceeds with litigation against me I will pursue the same merits-driven approach; I do not compromise with bullies and I would rather spend fifty thousand dollars on defense than give you a dollar of unmerited settlement funds. As for signing a licensing agreement for intellectual property which I have not infringed: that will not happen, under any circumstances, whether it makes economic sense or not.

I say this because my observation has been that Monster Cable typically operates in a hit-and-run fashion. Your client threatens litigation, expecting the victim to panic and plead for mercy; and what follows is a quickie negotiation session that ends with payment and a licensing agreement. Your client then uses this collection of licensing agreements to convince others under similar threat to accede to its demands. Let me be clear about this: there are only two ways for you to get anything out of me. You will either need to (1) convince me that I have infringed, or (2) obtain a final judgment to that effect from a court of competent jurisdiction. It may be that my inability to see the pragmatic value of settling frivolous claims is a deep character flaw, and I am sure a few of the insurance carriers for whom I have done work have seen it that way; but it is how I have done business for the last quarter-century and you are not going to change my mind. If you sue me, the case will go to judgment, and I will hold the court's attention upon the merits of your claims--or, to speak more precisely, the absence of merit from your claims--from start to finish. Not only am I unintimidated by litigation; I sometimes rather miss it.

I will also point out to you that if you do choose to undertake litigation, your "upside" is tremendously limited. If you somehow managed, despite the formidable obstacles in your way, to obtain a finding of infringement, and if you were successful at recovering a large licensing fee--say, ten cents per connector--as the measure of damages, your recovery to date would not reach four figures. On the downside, I will advance defenses which, if successful, will substantially undermine your future efforts to use these patents and marks to threaten others with these types of actions; as you are of course aware, it is easier today for your competitors to use collateral estoppel offensively than it ever has been before. Also, there is little doubt that making baseless claims of trade dress infringement and design patent infringement is an improper business tactic, which can give rise to unfair competition claims, and for a company of Monster's size, potential antitrust violations with treble damages and attorneys' fees.

I look forward to receiving the information requested and will review it promptly as soon as it is received.

Sincerely,

Kurt Denke


 

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