[nsx_23]

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Originally Posted by DanielCox /img/forum/go_quote.gif OS X seems easy to people who've never used it before. Nowadays it can be just as configurable as Windows. Most smart people who needs computers to do work tend to use a mixture of Windows, Linux and OS X in my experience.

x 1 million.

I use Snow Leopard, Windows 7 and various forms of Linuxs regularly. My desktop runs 64-bit Win 7 Ultimate, and my UMBPro dual-boots Win7 ultimate 64-bit with OSX, and I chose to go down this route as it gives me more choice and flexibility software wise. I use OSX most of the time, but I will sometimes boot into Windows to run stuff like AutoCAD and solidworks.

I use linux for working with open-source Comuptational fluid dynamics calculations are other similar engineering stuff. Also, my little eeepc 900 runs linux.

 

[krmathis]

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Originally Posted by pne /img/forum/go_quote.gif The logical solution is to jump on google and find some reviews, pro's/con's, some facts to help me make my decision. Of course, this is about as useless as googling "does god exist" or "socialism vs democracy". All I find are pages upon pages of fan-boys on either camp, exclaiming how much better their machines are with absolutely no factual support. Tons of inane firsthand accounts like "my mac has never broken in 15 years!", not to mention the stupid pc/mac bashing commercials both parties have released.

Just like what you get here ate Head-Fi...

In the end it is all down to personal preference. Regardless if you go Mac or PC you should get the same tasks done, although the steps to go there may be different.
I use both Mac OS X and MS Windows daily. I prefer one of them, but get by decently with the other one as well.

 

[HeyItsBattleKid]

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Originally Posted by chadbang /img/forum/go_quote.gif AS FAR AS BUILDING. Sure you can get all those parts cheaper, but, come on, you're going to have more headaches with a FrankenPC for sure. Unless you're very, very lucky or a very, very good builder. Whenever I take on a "project" be it home construction, electronics, guitar, audio .. whatever... there's always one little piece of the puzzle that goes KABOOM. "Hey, where'd this extra screw come from?"

Out of all the DIY stuff out there for electronics, PC building has got to be one of the easiest. Red goes to red, blue goes to blue, if it fits, it probably goes there. Granted, if you happen to run into a problem, a first timer may need to go onto a forum and get some help. I've had better reliability with PC builds than Hard Drive reliability by far.

Spend some time doing a little research and learning on what parts do what. Keep a mind of budget and don't spend on stuff you don't really need (SLI/Crossfire users submit to AA sessions ASAP) hehe. Unless you are clumsy and just the unlucky one in the family, PC building is very rewarding and very easy to do.

If there is any PC builder here that ever needs help, I'll always be happy to answer questions on dang near every question you may have. Once you do one build, you can start a second! About 6-7 years ago, I didn't know the difference between CPU speed, RAM size, or hard drive space. I've done about 10 builds since then, and each one has just made me better. Unless your PC build kills you, it makes you stronger

 

[Redo]

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Originally Posted by chadbang /img/forum/go_quote.gif AS FAR AS BUILDING. Sure you can get all those parts cheaper, but, come on, you're going to have more headaches with a FrankenPC for sure. Unless you're very, very lucky or a very, very good builder.

Building a PC is pretty much connect the dots when it comes down to it. Get a tool-less case, and you won't even need a screwdriver. It's not a FrakenPC either with "cheap" parts. It's a PC built with quality components chosen by the individual. Apple buys parts in bulk, get cheap mystery hardware for even "cheaper" than the prices listed on newegg, then jack the prices up huge.

If OS X had any legs to stand on they would release it as a stand alone OS like Windows. You could build a computer with their same specs for less than half the price. Unfortunately OS X is not even close to being able to support all the different hardware options out there, so they have to keep everything in house and tightly controlled.

 

[Currawong]

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Originally Posted by Redo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Building a PC is pretty much connect the dots when it comes down to it. Get a tool-less case, and you won't even need a screwdriver. It's not a FrakenPC either with "cheap" parts. It's a PC built with quality components chosen by the individual.

Then have fun sorting out the drivers for all those components. Been there, done that. Doesn't always work as expected.

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Apple buys parts in bulk, get cheap mystery hardware for even "cheaper" than the prices listed on newegg, then jack the prices up huge.

No, that's Dell and every other notebook maker in existence. Better still though, Apple now make their own CPU/GPU, so we're likely to see notebooks with a lot of power and a very seriously amount of battery life in the next year or so.

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If OS X had any legs to stand on they would release it as a stand alone OS like Windows. You could build a computer with their same specs for less than half the price. Unfortunately OS X is not even close to being able to support all the different hardware options out there, so they have to keep everything in house and tightly controlled.

Then it would be the same kind of driver hell as Windows became. The Hackintosh people discovered this, in the end recommending only certain hardware configurations for things to be guaranteed to work. Funny, because a Mac is a specific hardware configuration designed to work with Mac OS X.

 

[XxATOLxX]

PC all the way.

I bought a Mac once, having to find an equivalent program to do everything was a gigantic pain in the ass. You never really appreciate how useful programs like dbPowerAmp and Foobar are until you're trying to find one that does it as well as these two. Not to mention iTunes is a bloated steaming pile of !@#$.

 

[thrall]

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Originally Posted by Currawong /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, that's Dell and every other notebook maker in existence. Better still though, Apple now make their own CPU/GPU, so we're likely to see notebooks with a lot of power and a very seriously amount of battery life in the next year or so.

Dells and Macs are both built by Foxconn, who also builds for Sony, HP, Acer, etc. They all use processors from Intel or AMD, screens from LG or Samsung, hard drives from Hitachi or similar manufacturers, RAM from Samsung or etc. Basically, all the notebook makers get their parts from the same 3rd parties. Apple is no different. They charge premium pricing for their designs, not because they're using special parts.

Apple's A4 CPU/GPU (actually by PA Semiconductor) is intended for smart phone use, not notebooks, so you really can't compare it against the Intel or AMD mobile lines.

 

[jonhapimp]

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Originally Posted by Currawong /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, that's Dell and every other notebook maker in existence. Better still though, Apple now make their own CPU/GPU, so we're likely to see notebooks with a lot of power and a very seriously amount of battery life in the next year or so.

Again this isn't the 20th century Apple do not make any of there internal components it's all the same from dell, hp, etc. They Do NOT make there own GPU/CPU have you even looked at any recent Mac/Macbooks. This just goes to show that your posting nonsense. Stop living in the past
I do like the battery life on the macbooks though while my computer strains to get 2 and a half hours in. damn gaming laptops lol

 

[grokit]

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Originally Posted by Redo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Building a PC is pretty much connect the dots when it comes down to it. Get a tool-less case, and you won't even need a screwdriver. It's not a FrakenPC either with "cheap" parts. It's a PC built with quality components chosen by the individual. Apple buys parts in bulk, get cheap mystery hardware for even "cheaper" than the prices listed on newegg, then jack the prices up huge. If OS X had any legs to stand on they would release it as a stand alone OS like Windows. You could build a computer with their same specs for less than half the price. Unfortunately OS X is not even close to being able to support all the different hardware options out there, so they have to keep everything in house and tightly controlled.

I've built a few PC's with friends, from research to ordering and assembling the hardware to installing the OS and software. One open-source and three Windows machines, one of which was a gaming rig with an unlimited budget, and one of which was built to dual-boot OS X.

As far as the hardware goes, just try to build something as durable, useful, and elegant as my shiny new Mac Pro.

Just try.

You can't

 

[Redo]

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Originally Posted by grokit /img/forum/go_quote.gif As far as the hardware goes, just try to build something as durable, useful, and elegant as my shiny new Mac Pro. Just try. You can't

That's why Lian Li was invented

But I've always had a soft spot for those Mac Pro designs

 

[Redo]

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Originally Posted by Currawong /img/forum/go_quote.gif Then it would be the same kind of driver hell as Windows became. The Hackintosh people discovered this, in the end recommending only certain hardware configurations for things to be guaranteed to work. Funny, because a Mac is a specific hardware configuration designed to work with Mac OS X.

Windows 7 comes right out of the box with driver support for pretty much everything. Even when you want more robust driver support or if it doesn't have it, going to the manufacturers website and downloading the newest drivers is "driver hell"?

Macs can come configured for hardware out of the box because 1) they are prebuilt, all prebuilts come with full driver support and 2) they ignore 90% of the hardware market, so they are very selective about what hardware they support. This is the same reason why attempts to run OS X on a non-mac almost always end up in crashing and stability problems

You make it sound like RPM hell back in redhat/early fedora core days. That was a fun experience when I was starting my linux adventures

 

[userlander]

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Originally Posted by jonhapimp /img/forum/go_quote.gif Again this isn't the 20th century Apple do not make any of there internal components it's all the same from dell, hp, etc. They Do NOT make there own GPU/CPU have you even looked at any recent Mac/Macbooks. This just goes to show that your posting nonsense. Stop living in the past I do like the battery life on the macbooks though while my computer strains to get 2 and a half hours in. damn gaming laptops lol

+1

Most if not all of the apple hardware comes from the very same factories that pump out the PC hardware. A lot of it is just rebranded so they can charge people a premium for it by calling it "apple."

As you also noted, some of it is even inferior to the good PC hardware. It's all just branding and marketing.

 

[krmathis]

Just saying...

 

[chadbang]

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Originally Posted by jonhapimp /img/forum/go_quote.gif Again this isn't the 20th century ...

You kill me with that phrase. You're the first person I've heard use it. Man, I'm gonna have a tough time adjusting.

 

[chadbang]

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Originally Posted by XxATOLxX /img/forum/go_quote.gif PC all the way.

After all these years, XxATOLxX, your avatar still kills me. I think you're the reason why moving gifs were banned.