[Ales R]

it has cables to connect to - and i don't use iPhone but a Android phone sounds like a new device once connected to the W1 - don't see any reason why an iPhone would also not massively benefit from this wonderful little power DAC

iPhone 12 Pro is king of EMI interference not only in my eyes and i have big EMI issues with S1 on iPhone, so i want to know how is W1 with this...

 

[hakunamakaka]

I don't entirely agree with this assumption. A higher power output and dedicated balanced line outs with dual dacs means a much cleaner presentation and the extra power (even if not really needed) will offer better control of the drivers, resulting in better sound. This is speculative logic at this time since it hasn't been released, but I think it's foolish to think that the dual dac/extra power set up won't be much of an improvement. More like what someone says that already has the W1 and can't afford the upgrade.

More power could play a decent part in sound improvement, but dual dac doesn’t mean it will sound better than a single dac chip. For easy to drive equipment I doubt that there will be large differences,

 

[Bootup22]

Wonder have you heard the dx160 before to compare with the w1? It has the same dac chip but I find dx160 a little dry sounding. Is w1 on the warm or cold sounding side, relative to say the e1da 9038s or apple dongle or paw s1? Thanks

I know we all use those little key words like "YMMV" or "its about our personal opinions" or something like that to explain differences, but I have to say you are the first one I have ever heard describe the DX160 as "dry". Ive heard some say it has too much energy, too much pop, too excited.. I'm curious what you consider 'not dry'.

 

[eloelo]

I know we all use those little key words like "YMMV" or "its about our personal opinions" or something like that to explain differences, but I have to say you are the first one I have ever heard describe the DX160 as "dry". Ive heard some say it has too much energy, too much pop, too excited.. I'm curious what you consider 'not dry'.

I'm definitely not the only one who finds dx160 a little sterile. Animus, one of the headfi reviewers, also thinks so. But exactly where is it dry for me? It actually has some warmth so it isn't exactly cold either. Treble and bass extension has no issues and clarity is amazing, and can be further enhanced with lurkers mod. However, for someone who pays 90% attention to the vocals of the song, dx160 has slightly anemic, loose mids as opposed to tight. I've tried the different filters, players and settings but can't get rid of the slight "uncanny valley" in the mids that leaves me wanting more (more vocal presence, thickness and tightness) . I'm a pretty low Volume listener so maybe that plays a part but idk. I've demoed several daps/dac like Hiby R5, lotoo paw 6k and S1, cayin n6ii and n3pro, ibasso Dx220 and Dc04, fiio btr5. They do not seem to have the same issue. It could be an amp thing rather than a dac thing, but I'm left wanting a different sound profile from dx160 without getting a heavier device.

 

[musicday]

Eating popcorn and raw onion while I am waiting for more news about the W2 .

 

[AlexCBSN]

iPhone 12 Pro is king of EMI interference not only in my eyes and i have big EMI issues with S1 on iPhone, so i want to know how is W1 with this...

s1 by itself is a emi monster, i own both but i dont use anymore the stock cables, im constantly using ddHifi tc28i (by the way i broke 1 already, good that i had a backup) and the 9038s usb c - c cable, its pretty well shielded, even the ltp s1 and hilidac audirect beam2 has a noticeable reduction in interference (both of em emi monster) the only one that is total case apart is the earman sparrow, that thing is PURE EMI, no matter what you use.

 

[Ales R]

s1 by itself is a emi monster, i own both but i dont use anymore the stock cables, im constantly using ddHifi tc28i (by the way i broke 1 already, good that i had a backup) and the 9038s usb c - c cable, its pretty well shielded, even the ltp s1 and hilidac audirect beam2 has a noticeable reduction in interference (both of em emi monster) the only one that is total case apart is the earman sparrow, that thing is PURE EMI, no matter what you use.

So you think the transition from S1 to W1 (or W2, we'll see) due to EMI interference doesn't make sense to you?

 

[AlexCBSN]

So you think the transition from S1 to W1 (or W2, we'll see) due to EMI interference doesn't make sense to you?

didnt understood what you mean, i will answer:

s1 gives a ton of interferance with stock cable, i reduced it with a shielded cable
w1 doesnt give me any interferance, though i use the same shielded cable as for s1.

everyone is talking about w2, in my experience, until i dont test it/ buy it, i cant say anything, the specs are amazing, the measurements are cool, though, i think w1 is more than enough for me, it already outmakes my current dongles

edit: oh ok, i got it. mmmmm if emi its the reason, nah, its not worth it, just change to a shielded cable and maybe some faraday tape (i have some on my s1 and a silicon cover for it not rub with my pockets while im on the go, though sound quality w1 has the upper hand over the s1

 

[Ales R]

didnt understood what you mean, i will answer:

s1 gives a ton of interferance with stock cable, i reduced it with a shielded cable
w1 doesnt give me any interferance, though i use the same shielded cable as for s1.

everyone is talking about w2, in my experience, until i dont test it/ buy it, i cant say anything, the specs are amazing, the measurements are cool, though, i think w1 is more than enough for me, it already outmakes my current dongles

edit: oh ok, i got it. mmmmm if emi its the reason, nah, its not worth it, just change to a shielded cable and maybe some faraday tape (i have some on my s1 and a silicon cover for it not rub with my pockets while im on the go, though sound quality w1 has the upper hand over the s1

Thanks a lot Alex for your advice

 

[HiFyAK2020]

I don't entirely agree with this assumption. A higher power output and dedicated balanced line outs with dual dacs means a much cleaner presentation and the extra power (even if not really needed) will offer better control of the drivers, resulting in better sound. This is speculative logic at this time since it hasn't been released, but I think it's foolish to think that the dual dac/extra power set up won't be much of an improvement. More like what someone says that already has the W1 and can't afford the upgrade.

Interesting - point taken - we'll find out once it is available - as an engineer i can relate to your logic.

 

[AlexCBSN]

Thanks a lot Alex for your advice

Sorry for the confusion at the beginning

 

[Ales R]

Sorry for the confusion at the beginning

There is no reason to apologize... We are all looking forward to W2

 

[bluestorm1992]

W2 is finally coming. Pre-order has started in mainland China.

Some early impressions suggest that it has excellent power, and delivers outstanding clarity and control of music. That reviewer claims that W2 can be compared against DAPs in the range of $700-1000 (well, W2 itself costs around $300, so this is perhaps not be too surprising ).

 

[snowy8171]

can't wait!

 

[musicday]

Is the back panel carbon fibre? Looks nice. What is the sound signature? Looking forward to read more about it, .