Light Harmonic Geek Wave

[Bill2112]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pulse-analog-audio-components/x/3694317#/


Part of the Analog component campaign - when the campaigns started to run out of steam. Raised less than $100k before indiegogo and credit card fees



The thought being that their would be no money changing hands - Larry works with Massdrop to finalize the designs and they get future production rights with the "price" being that they produce the required number of units "for free" to fulfil the indiegogo back orders.
IF the products designs are done, then massdrop's supply chain can whip them out. extra profits can come from upgrade modules, service contracts, and accessories.

They worked well with cavalli.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-alex-cavalli-cth-tube-hybrid-amp
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-alex-cavalli-liquid-carbon-x-amp

[merged]

I'm not so sure this would include the IP or not. I don't think Larry would give this up. In any case it was stated that LH is not looking this way anyway. I wouldn't expect it to happen. Maybe a few years from now.

 

[cecil]

After listening to Larry's 'explanation' I still have no idea why the Vi Dac/Vi Dac Tube and remaining Pulse campaigns have stalled. He addresses the analogue campaigns in some detail and we sort of know what's happening with the Wave/Source stuff but no detail on the others.

Aren't they just awaiting assembly and/or parts supply? Is he really so broke he can't finish these off? Is it as simple as that?

 

[stuck limo]

After listening to Larry's 'explanation' I still have no idea why the Vi Dac/Vi Dac Tube and remaining Pulse campaigns have stalled. He addresses the analogue campaigns in some detail and we sort of know what's happening with the Wave/Source stuff but no detail on the others.

Aren't they just awaiting assembly and/or parts supply? Is he really so broke he can't finish these off? Is it as simple as that?

made a correction to original post, since I misidentified the Geek Pulse.

Geek Pulse = no $$ left for now. Still awaiting additional funding
Vi DAC = most people should have the solid state by now. Any additional will be supplied but I'm unsure when
Vi DAC Tube = manufacturer issues with the chassis. Still being worked on currently.

So yes, funding + mfg issues are the main driving issues.

 

[MikeyFresh]

Vi DAC Tube = manufacturer issues with the chassis. Still being worked on currently.

Sure, right... except that the "new chassis option" for the Vi DAC was said to have solved this long standing manufacturing problem, and it was announced in November of 2017.

That was 18 months ago, but nothing more than a rendering (complete with Light Harmonic logo on the faceplate) was ever shown. Were any ever manufactured, and I don't mean for retail sale into the Asian market, I'm talking about any units produced and shipped to an IGG backer?

No, of course not, just like the original chassis issues were supposedly solved many years ago with Larry's assistance and new tooling at the machine shop, at which point 30 units per month were being produced. That never happened either, all lies.

We're batting .1000 here with the BS stories.

 

[Shawnb]

made a correction to original post, since I misidentified the Geek Pulse.

Geek Pulse = no $$ left for now. Still awaiting additional funding
Vi DAC = most people should have the solid state by now. Any additional will be supplied but I'm unsure when
Vi DAC Tube = manufacturer issues with the chassis. Still being worked on currently.

So yes, funding + mfg issues are the main driving issues.

Lies and incompetence are the main driving issues.

Even if we gave Larry another 5 million we would never see anything.
So quit making excuses and lying to cover it up.
When will the lying stop?

 

[judmarc]

When will the lying stop?

When we realize that this sort of back and forth gets us no information of any real substance and only winds us up and aggravates us further.

 

[Hercules]

made a correction to original post, since I misidentified the Geek Pulse.

Geek Pulse = no $$ left for now. Still awaiting additional funding
Vi DAC = most people should have the solid state by now. Any additional will be supplied but I'm unsure when
Vi DAC Tube = manufacturer issues with the chassis. Still being worked on currently.

So yes, funding + mfg issues are the main driving issues.

Jarek, how about CCX, won’t available until all Vi DAC Tube delivered plus have fund available？

 

[Shawnb]

How is there no design for the PTP? Did i back just a pipe dream? How was there already not something already planned and Where did my money go?

So what else is dead but you’re not telling us?
HPA’s are dead as well
What about the Amps, LPS’s? Are they going to be abandoned as well. CCX is done as well I guess.
The LPS for the Source was a lie too then.
What products are done but awaiting funds?

Why are we having to find out this way and not being contacted directly? Actually I know why, you don’t care and have no reason to.
You won’t face any consequences for your actions. It was a total scam there’s no denying it now. We were scammed and you used every means available to you to milk us for as much as you could. Even going as far as bribing us with gear or upgrades to stay quiet knowing that you would never have to pay out.
You took in millions because of this and then kept feeding us the lies on top of lies, not forgetting to milk us for shipping fees over a year in advance while not even having something to ship.
This has been nothing but an ongoing scam for years and we can’t just blame one or two people. EVERYONE who worked or works for LHL is complicit in it.

If the funds backed weren’t enough why didn’t you say so, at what point did you know it wasn’t enough? How much more did you scam out of us knowing we likely wouldn’t see anything?
You had to have know the funds for the PTP weren’t enough well before the Vi DAC came out, it makes sense why we would upgrade to the Vi Dac’s now. You knew you couldn’t make them for the number backed so you were hoping enough changed to let you. This makes a lot of things clearer now. The scam has been an ongoing affair from the start. So many little things make sense now.

 

[stuck limo]

Jarek, how about CCX, won’t available until all Vi DAC Tube delivered a plus have fund available？

CCX is still on-going and will be delivered after the Vi DAC Tube.

All other Analog products are on-going except for the Pulse Tube Preamp. Larry believes that the backers for the PTP were already contacted or should have been contacted by the previous Customer Service team and/or Gavin.

 

[spyder1]

All other Analog products are on-going except for the Pulse Tube Preamp. Larry believes that the backers for the PTP were already contacted or should have been contacted by the previous Customer Service team and/or Gavin.

stuck limo.

I backed the tube pre-amp and have not received any contact about the cancellation of the project.
You need to check my purchased product listing, that was once available for view on the LH Labs website.

 

[Hercules]

stuck limo.

I backed the tube pre-amp and have not received any contact about the cancellation of the project.
You need to check my purchased product listing, that was once available for view on the LH Labs website.

New lie from Larry.......

 

[stuck limo]

How is there no design for the PTP? Did i back just a pipe dream? How was there already not something already planned and Where did my money go?

Larry just sent me the files for the PTP design. It was partially completed/initially started BEFORE the campaign, then never got finished because of the funding issues. They had a prototype board produced as well.

 

[Bill2112]

Larry just sent me the files for the PTP design. It was partially completed/initially started BEFORE the campaign, then never got finished because of the funding issues. They had a prototype board produced as well.

Pretty cool trend here people with all these old campaigns: "never got finished because of the funding issues"

Seems like LHL never had a business model for anything.

 

[stuck limo]

After listening to Larry's 'explanation' I still have no idea why the Vi Dac/Vi Dac Tube and remaining Pulse campaigns have stalled.

Vi DAC Tube update: Due to when we confirmed the ME design is OK. The factory told us there is something else that needed changed, so that delayed the chassis. The design is near 100% complete though. They are making the new one fit all the PCBs of Tube versions next week. The supporting structure needed adjusting, and the Tube chassis was needing to have more air flow to cool it down (passive air cooling). The first design didn't have the hole on the top, and that design was rejected due to air flow tube health/longevity.

 

[MikeyFresh]

Vi DAC Tube update

No that's another non-update, the same story about chassis troubles and the factory regurged yet again.

If the new chassis design was announced on November 1, 2017, and the finalized "approval" of that design was announced in a subsequent "update" on August 18, 2018, then why are we only now being told of more issues with that design some 8 months later?

The reason why (of course) is that all of those "updates" were complete fabrications, another pack of lies, just like Jarek's update post this evening. Jarek doesn't make this stuff up on his own of course, he is being used as a mouthpiece puppet by Larry.