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[jsiegel14072]

Larry Audio File (2:34 min) on the Analog campaign which people have been asking about:

BTW, in case anyone asks, when he says "headphones" he means headphone amps. Not actual literal headphones.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O15cnjBKEuS6znLHmu45yW3xr2wfjsBh/view

The other campaigns are on-going and the previous updates remain as to "why" they haven't been completed yet.

@cecil you asked, you received.

So Larry admits, he doesn't have design for pre-amp and won't bother. Why not just refund them, and close that part of campaign?
They spent all the money on R&D but never finished anything - Pulses aren't working, VI' tubes never made (even though he could have used davinci designs to ship them with little money on research. The Waves are still long way away since they have redesigned several times, but are still working on major software components, The Analog designs were started but won't know if they are done, until they are made and tested. Sources are buggy and 2 years behind current designs. Did i miss any products?

So basically it was a bad run company. R&D is budgets as a percentage of operations after COGS is calculated. They just spent all the money playing and not completing any product.

With proper project management, each design could have been managed and progress tracked.
I would suggest that larry sell each design to mass drop for the number of units left to ship.

Mass drop gets products they can brand and Larry gets out of the production business that he obviously can't manage.

 

[Bill2112]

So Larry admits, he doesn't have design for pre-amp and won't bother. Why not just refund them, and close that part of campaign?
They spent all the money on R&D but never finished anything - Pulses aren't working, VI' tubes never made (even though he could have used davinci designs to ship them with little money on research. The Waves are still long way away since they have redesigned several times, but are still working on major software components, The Analog designs were started but won't know if they are done, until they are made and tested. Sources are buggy and 2 years behind current designs. Did i miss any products?

So basically it was a bad run company. R&D is budgets as a percentage of operations after COGS is calculated. They just spent all the money playing and not completing any product.

With proper project management, each design could have been managed and progress tracked.
I would suggest that larry sell each design to mass drop for the number of units left to ship.

Mass drop gets products they can brand and Larry gets out of the production business that he obviously can't manage.

What preamp is this? What year was this campaign

 

[stuck limo]

I would suggest that larry sell each design to mass drop for the number of units left to ship.

Mass drop gets products they can brand and Larry gets out of the production business that he obviously can't manage.

Sure, that's an idea, and then I can guarantee you what would happen: hordes of internet people would swarm upon Massdrop and threaten to either a) boycott Massdrop or b) tell everyone not to buy the LH Labs Massdrop products and tell all Massdrop customers how terrible the company is.

 

[germay0653]

What happened to the Google Docs sheet @deathson created? It seems to have been deleted.

 

[Bill2112]

Sure, that's an idea, and then I can guarantee you what would happen: hordes of internet people would swarm upon Massdrop and threaten to either a) boycott Massdrop or b) tell everyone not to buy purchase the LH Labs Massdrop products and tell all Massdrop customers how terrible the company is.

Not if Massdrop could produce a quality product and warranty it...that won't happen with LHL. LHL prefers to engage in operations that have no business model.

 

[stuck limo]

I would suggest that larry sell each design to mass drop for the number of units left to ship.

Mass drop gets products they can brand and Larry gets out of the production business that he obviously can't manage.

I did pass on your idea to Larry and he liked it. Thank you for the constructive criticism and advice. On that note, I can tell you Massdrop DOES have a Vi DAC in their office, but a) they didn't get it from us and b) we have no affiliation with Massdrop and have no idea why or how they came into possession of it. And the only information we've received is that they have it. No further contact has been established regarding any sort of business plan or feedback over the Vi DAC. And at this time we are not reaching out to them for any sort of business plan either.

 

[germay0653]

So, if this were to happen, would the funds gained through that revenue stream be used to produce the products we backers perked and paid for? All we want is the products we perked for.

 

[stuck limo]

Update probably coming tonight with these pictures and any other additional information I can get.

 

[judmarc]

What happened to the Google Docs sheet @deathson created? It seems to have been deleted.

Don't know if this is the same one you're talking about, but here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vE7_LByDDY6w8J-E-l4njfkvXcggTasrG90z11swJww/htmlview

 

[Bill2112]

So, if this were to happen, would the funds gained through that revenue stream be used to produce the products we backers perked and paid for? All we want is the products we perked for.

There are no funds left from the revenue stream. Presumably Mass Drop would have to value the LHL designs enough to produce the LHL missing items for free to backers. They then would hope to recoup those costs from sales in the general marketplace. Making current backers pay more is a non-starter.

 

[germay0653]

No,that's not it! deathson created it in the early stages of the IGG campaigns to keep track of all the different products and the default and optional components/perks that made them up. I was going to reference it for Bill2112 as it may have included the preamp, headamp and amps that morphed out of all this brew-ha-ha!

This was the original link to @deathsons google doc but it;s been deleted,

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...VUoxOXB1VzFPaGtkQXdRa01ibUE&usp=sharing#gid=1

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[Bill2112]

This was the original link to @deathsons google doc but it;s been deleted,

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...VUoxOXB1VzFPaGtkQXdRa01ibUE&usp=sharing#gid=1

Ah yes....THAT spreadsheet...forgot I had it. How many of these ended up as a bad business model? How many were successful and delivered?

New link:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=76587347902228517609

 

[Hercules]

So if the business model was so poor did you consult with IGG on how to fix this? At some point the evidence was clear to you that you should have stopped and refunded. Was this before or after Gavin left? Have you notified IGG of your inability to make your products?

What is the other "(part)" you are referring to?

Like Wave, the multiple perks making infinity SKU for Wave, backers been forewarned Larry and Co. but when money coming in every minute, no one in LH Labs really care and said we can manage it don’t worry.......

 

[Hercules]

I did pass on your idea to Larry and he liked it. Thank you for the constructive criticism and advice. On that note, I can tell you Massdrop DOES have a Vi DAC in their office, but a) they didn't get it from us and b) we have no affiliation with Massdrop and have no idea why or how they came into possession of it. And the only information we've received is that they have it. No further contact has been established regarding any sort of business plan or feedback over the Vi DAC. And at this time we are not reaching out to them for any sort of business plan either.

Doing so if selling IGG funded products before sending to backers, must getting consent from backers with options 1. I want the products after massdrop 2. Sell their unit via Massdrop and get partial refund.

But I foresee some potential problems:
1. Massdrop may not able to sign agreement with LH Labs brand products without legal entity status company
2. Create new crisis to LH Labs / LH if unable to provide bug-free products on time, digging new cave before closing the existing one.
3. Unproven products may not selling higher then IGG pricing, creating new loss, and complaints from existing backers

The best candidates for Massdrop collaborations is LH Stella IEM and Geek Out series

 

[jsiegel14072]

What preamp is this? What year was this campaign

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pulse-analog-audio-components/x/3694317#/


Part of the Analog component campaign - when the campaigns started to run out of steam. Raised less than $100k before indiegogo and credit card fees

So, if this were to happen, would the funds gained through that revenue stream be used to produce the products we backers perked and paid for? All we want is the products we perked for.

The thought being that their would be no money changing hands - Larry works with Massdrop to finalize the designs and they get future production rights with the "price" being that they produce the required number of units "for free" to fulfil the indiegogo back orders.
IF the products designs are done, then massdrop's supply chain can whip them out. extra profits can come from upgrade modules, service contracts, and accessories.

They worked well with cavalli.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-alex-cavalli-cth-tube-hybrid-amp
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-alex-cavalli-liquid-carbon-x-amp

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