Lets Talk Metal

[Accoun]

  Operation Mindcrime sucks. I really don't understand why it's held in such high esteem by so many people.

 
Dunno. I haven't listened to it in it's enirety in a while, but it still has at least some really good tracks. Revolution Calling and The Needle Lies are still pretty fun.

 

[flipper2gv]

  Operation Mindcrime sucks. I really don't understand why it's held in such high esteem by so many people.
 
Jute Gyte just released a new black metal album (he also does electronic stuff). It's the most uncomfortable music I've ever enjoyed. Truly unique, too.
 
https://jutegyte.bandcamp.com/album/ship-of-theseus

 
I don't know, listened to Operation Mindcrime for the first time last year and it was really cool I though. Revolution Coming had me chanting alone in the street.
 
On Jute Gyte, it is interesting to use this type of dissonance in black metal, but the songwriting is lacking a lot to make this anything close to good.

 

[Redcarmoose]

Dunno. I haven't listened to it in it's enirety in a while, but it still has at least some really good tracks. Revolution Calling and The Needle Lies are still pretty fun.

The reason it was big is because it's actually a pretty deep record. There is a plot. There is a story. The story has characters which act out in the live show.


The characters talk in the songs.


It is a poem.

The album has true messages and an opinion.


Now if you can show me one other metal album that does all that it will surprise me.


I say this but still the music is not to me what it once was. Still it is metal history and if you were alive then then you know there was never anything like it and there will never be anything like it.


Listen to the songs, read the words. Find out how the album was made. There is really a lot to the story of Operation Mindcrime.

It has also influenced bands like Nevermore to an extent, but you would not know it till listening to both bands years later.

 

[markm1]

The reason it was big is because it's actually a pretty deep record. There is a plot. There is a story. The story has characters which act out in the live show.


The characters talk in the songs.


It is a poem.

The album has true messages and an opinion.


Now if you can show me one other metal album that does all that it will surprise me.


I say this but still the music is not to me what it once was. Still it is metal history and if you were alive then then you know there was never anything like it and there will never be anything like it.


Listen to the songs, read the words. Find out how the album was made. There is really a lot to the story of Operation Mindcrime.

It has also influenced bands like Nevermore to an extent, but you would not know it till listening to both bands years later.

If you have read every post on this thread since it started, I'm going to start referring to you as The Dean.
 
Great points as usual. Operation Mindcrime was wildly successful, accessible, commercial and from what I remember with MTV rotation a gateway into rock radio territory. The prog and concept aspect were key as you point out.
 
It is interesting going back and listening to some of those old albums-I had OM but haven't listened to it in ages-but a lot of stuff does sound dated when you go back. I always think the classics-my old Priest and Maiden, maybe a few random hair metal albums like Shout at the Devil-that still good to me-like Sabbath and Zeppelin-have proved that they stand the test of time, while others, meh?
 
I remember Queensryche's album The Warning. Lot of hooks and melody, but I'd grow tired of it pretty quickly.

 

[KritiKal]

Now if you can show me one other metal album that does all that it will surprise me.

Ayreon: The Human Equation

 

[Tom Yum Goong]

Now if you can show me one other metal album that does all that it will surprise me.

Here you go!

 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 

[Dobrescu George]

The reason it was big is because it's actually a pretty deep record. There is a plot. There is a story. The story has characters which act out in the live show.


The characters talk in the songs.


It is a poem.

The album has true messages and an opinion.


Now if you can show me one other metal album that does all that it will surprise me.


I say this but still the music is not to me what it once was. Still it is metal history and if you were alive then then you know there was never anything like it and there will never be anything like it.


Listen to the songs, read the words. Find out how the album was made. There is really a lot to the story of Operation Mindcrime.

It has also influenced bands like Nevermore to an extent, but you would not know it till listening to both bands years later.

A metal album to surprise?
 
Wintersun - time. 
 
Or
 
Wintersun - wintersun.

 

[macrocheesium]

  Anybody in for some loooow frequencies?
 

 
I always seem to like stoner metal until the vocals kick in, because it's usually some weird halfway point between singing and growling that never works for me. The mix sounds great with all of that sub bass and downtuned guitars, though. Producer clearly knew what he was doing. Speaking of low...
 

 
 

Just want to say that Scenes From A Memory is one hell of an album.

 
Best DT album, if you ask me. I think it's only one that I still enjoy after leaving my shreddy prog metal period. Right now I'm getting into Pain of Salvation.

 

[Music Alchemist]

  Right now I'm getting into Pain of Salvation.

 
OMG!!! I totally forgot about that band. I used to love their One Hour By The Concrete Lake album, but don't even remember what it sounds like now.

 

[Redcarmoose]

If you have read every post on this thread since it started, I'm going to start referring to you as The Dean.

Great points as usual. Operation Mindcrime was wildly successful, accessible, commercial and from what I remember with MTV rotation a gateway into rock radio territory. The prog and concept aspect were key as you point out.

It is interesting going back and listening to some of those old albums-I had OM but haven't listened to it in ages-but a lot of stuff does sound dated when you go back. I always think the classics-my old Priest and Maiden, maybe a few random hair metal albums like Shout at the Devil-that still good to me-like Sabbath and Zeppelin-have proved that they stand the test of time, while others, meh?

I remember Queensryche's album The Warning. Lot of hooks and melody, but I'd grow tired of it pretty quickly.

i think nowdays I like The Warning better than Operation Mindcrime. They had this really cool box set with every album in cardboard sleaves so i was able to not only get all the albums but also get the later ones I maybe would never buy. There is a couple later after Mindcrime that are pretty bad.


I maybe started reading at page 33 so I have not read every post but every post after 33.

Operation Mindcrime was an amazing show which had a number of technologies never used before.

I also think that you can somehow get sick of listening to the album. that sounds funny but I think the album can get old.

 

[keepitsimple]

Arghoslent-any 1 heard of these-they sound very good and get good reviews
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arghoslent/3195

 

[keepitsimple]

i think nowdays I like The Warning better than Operation Mindcrime. They had this really cool box set with every album in cardboard sleaves so i was able to not only get all the albums but also get the later ones I maybe would never buy. There is a couple later after Mindcrime that are pretty bad.


I maybe started reading at page 33 so I have not read every post but every post after 33.

Operation Mindcrime was an amazing show which had a number of technologies never used before.

I also think that you can somehow get sick of listening to the album. that sounds funny but I think the album can get old.

first ep and the warning are good-ive only heard op m once

 

[keepitsimple]

The thing is that some other old albums have aged really well. Images and words for one. We just had a dude say how amazing it is, and is pretty dated. How about Effigy of the Forgotten? That came out in 89 I think, and it still rocks the house. That's the hallmark of truly great music, not just something that sounds fresh and grabs people's attention because it's new, but endurance.

91, not 89. Still, it's older than some of the people who post on this thread heh

I played effigy the other day-excellent stuff-very raw

 

[Music Alchemist]

Listening to Immortal: All Shall Fall at the moment.
 
Gonna make it a metal day! Getting high on tropical 7UP to enhance the stimulation. lol

 

[KritiKal]

OMG!!! I totally forgot about that band. I used to love their One Hour By The Concrete Lake album, but don't even remember what it sounds like now.

They've since moved to a more bluesy acoustic rock sound. It's not bad and they're still worth seeing live, but (warning: cliché) doesn't compare to their earlier stuff. BE is still one of my all time favourite albums.