I come from Southern California where many are very serious about Hardcore Punk. Always seeing folks with Black Flag or Biohazard tattoos on their arm. Later in the mid 1990s I used to go to a 12 step program with Social Distortion. For some reason I was always more metal than the local Punk bands. We had White Flag, Black Flag, TSOL, Agent Orange, Fear, The Buzzcocks, DI, Bad Religion and DRI around all the time. Still the only Punk I listen to now is the new Agnostic Front and the last Hatebreed album.
Hatebreed is punk? I always thought of them as a metal band, even if they were metalcore or whatever. Hm. I guess it's because some of their stuff is classified as hardcore punk.
Hatebreed is punk? I always thought of them as a metal band, even if they were metalcore or whatever. Hm. I guess it's because some of their stuff is classified as hardcore punk.
Only some folks are genre centric though by definition Hardcore is the modern term for what Punk evolved into. You would still call classic Punk bands Punk but bands like Hatebreed infused metal.
Back in 1986 Agnostic Front was one band that first did it, from those times they are known as one of the first Hardcore bands.
I listen to their new album everyday! So yes, a mixture of Punk with Metal.
Still in the mid 1990s you had bands like DI who were maybe 2nd tier in Orange County California due to the competition. They on the other hand could tour. The world was hungry for real punk rock and DI were huge in places like Japan and all over Europe. So even if they were an underground act in SoCal, they made money touring the world and showing the masses how it's done.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTwEJnnlbk
Live At A Dive from 1993 has one of the best renditions of Gary Glitters "Rock and Roll" if you ever get a chance to hear the CD.
In 1986 when Agnostic Front became big they were looked at as a crossover of Thrash Metal and Punk Rock. The term just "Hardcore" was not used yet. Still this was what the style termed "Hardcore" would end up being most like.
In 1986 when Agnostic Front became big they were looked at as a crossover of Thrash Metal and Punk Rock. The term just "Hardcore" was not used yet. Still this was what the style termed "Hardcore" would end up being most like.
You may be right? Just Crossover. Still it turns out Agnostic Front named their own genre due to being put together with the whole New York Punk Rock genre that they wanted not to be apart of due to political and lifestyle differences.
This Miret quote was before the 1985 Thrash change they did?
New York City played a central role in the development of hardcore. An important scene emerged in 1981 with the emigration of the Bad Brains from Washington, DC.[1][2] Roger Miret of Agnostic Front asserts that "We started using the term 'hardcore' because we wanted to separate ourselves from the druggy or artsy punk scene that was happening in New York at the time ... We were rougher kids living in the streets. It had a rougher edge".[3] The early scene was documented on the 1982 New York Thrash compilation.
Hatebreed is an American hardcore band from Connecticut, formed in 1994. They are considered to have contributed to the development of the genre in the mid to late 1990s, having emerged as part of the 1990s metallic hardcore scene along with other bands such as Earth Crisis, Converge, All Out War and Shai Hulud. Their musical style blends influences from hardcore punk and extreme metal while also drawing inspiration from crossover thrash.
In 1986 when Agnostic Front became big they were looked at as a crossover of Thrash Metal and Punk Rock. The term just "Hardcore" was not used yet. Still this was what the style termed "Hardcore" would end up being most like.
I saw them open up for Motorhead in 1986, and the punks were throwing stuff and spitting on them saying they had "sold out" because of the Cause for Alarm record (which I liked). Back then it was a very separate thing. I was one of the only "long hairs" that went to hardcore punk shows (My friend was in a popular local band) in New Orleans in 1984, then a few months after that Motorhead gig, the scenes seemed to have merged, with most of the old strictly punk rock crowd leaving.
I saw them open up for Motorhead in 1986, and the punks were throwing stuff and spitting on them saying they had "sold out" because of the Cause for Alarm record (which I liked). Back then it was a very separate thing. I was one of the only "long hairs" that went to hardcore punk shows (My friend was in a popular local band) in New Orleans in 1984, then a few months after that Motorhead gig, the scenes seemed to have merged, with most of the old strictly punk rock crowd leaving.
Seeing TSOL at Fenders in Long Beach was great. In 1987 TSOL had made a complete crossover from Punk to Metal. You actually had people diving from the rafters onto the band. The pit was intense, but no fights.
Punks were ******** most of the time and truly not cool at parties as if you were not like them, they didn't even want to talk to you.
What few remember though is we would not have Thrash as a genre without Punk.
Discharge was the seed that influenced both Bathory and Metallica.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=13JPy8XrsLg
The D-beat is still with us today.
In 1986 when Agnostic Front became big they were looked at as a crossover of Thrash Metal and Punk Rock. The term just "Hardcore" was not used yet. Still this was what the style termed "Hardcore" would end up being most like.
I saw them open up for Motorhead in 1986, and the punks were throwing stuff and spitting on them saying they had "sold out" because of the Cause for Alarm record (which I liked). Back then it was a very separate thing. I was one of the only "long hairs" that went to hardcore punk shows (My friend was in a popular local band) in New Orleans in 1984, then a few months after that Motorhead gig, the scenes seemed to have merged, with most of the old strictly punk rock crowd leaving.
Heh, interesting that you mention Motorhead. IIRC Lars Ulrich said in one of the interviews that one of his memories about them was when he went to their concert and saw a punk with a huge colored mohawk that no one seemed to mind (which to him was pretty unbelievable to see for that time). Guess that doesn't always work both ways (maybe unless you're actually Motorhead, haha).
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