[Nimweth]

Still love my BA10's in Emperor Palpatine's favorite colors.

Yes, that's the one I have. They look great, don't they?

 

[SpaceOperaVillain]

Yes, that's the one I have. They look great, don't they?

Yes, agreed. Sound, looks, stock tips - all A+. I still enjoy all the KZ I've held on to. A bit later in the year I'd like to try some higher cost pairs but it's no emergency.

 

[Podster]

That cable on your ZS7s looks like the one I have!

Well we do have good taste Nim, I mean no braggs just facts I have to admit I stole that line from Walter Brennan (my fathers favorite actor) and I'm sure anyone born after 1960 will have to google him LOL

@SpaceOperaVillain (every time I read your handle I can't help but think of the Opera Singer in the 5th Element) sorry straying again I was just going to mention I have some rigs based on Palpatine and Maul's fashion sense as well

Be4 the Z split!

Lotta Nutz I mean I am a KZ Walnut guy

Why yes, I HAVI Nutz

So there is Darth Maul and then there is Cheap Maul Cable dye credit to Greg (Slater)

Of course I can't leave out old Appletine

Stepping it up a little on this one! Come to think of it this shot may just get me kicked off the forum

 

[Nimweth]

Yes, agreed. Sound, looks, stock tips - all A+. I still enjoy all the KZ I've held on to. A bit later in the year I'd like to try some higher cost pairs but it's no emergency.

I recently got the AST. It is very good, sort of complementary to the BA10, it is better technically, but the BA10 is more musical.

 

[JazzVinyl]

It's it a fair point, @sakt1moko. I see a lot of uproar on photography forums about lenses. Someone gets an optical test chart printed up then starts testing out a few snaps in their living room or whatever. A bit of hilarity ensues, lots of keyboard lab-coats pile in with figures and technical terms ... and then eventually comes the depressing conclusion that to get a good lens you need to order 3-5 of them from a place that accepts returns, actually do some minor tests yourself, and then keep the best one.

I knew a fellow in the early 1980's who was a professional commercial photographer. He only used Nikon 35mm. All his stuff was exceptionally SHARP. I asked him once how he shot sharper images with Nikon 35mm than everyone else, who all carried pro (and very expensive) Hasselblad gear,

He said...when he ordered a lens, he put it through extensive testing. He knew at which distances at what f stops, it was "exceptionally sharp". He then adjusted his shooting style to "fit this rage" within each lens.

He also said he would buy 5 or more copies of the lens, extensively test them all, and return all but the one that was "truly exceptional" at some some distances at some f stops.

This was back in the film days...long before digital.

He also owned a Hasselblad camera and lens, that he would "show up with", when applying for a gig, because he said he knew the Art Director would "expect him to have one", but his entire portfolio was actually all shot with 35mm Nikon gear.

 

[RikudouGoku]

KZ´s official answer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/t9n01e/kzs_statement

 

[SpaceOperaVillain]

every time I read your handle I can't help but think of the Opera Singer in the 5th Element

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar! Summoning thoughts of scifi movies was indeed the goal. Soprano Inva Mula wasn't the villain but that piece she sang is close enough!

That's a cracking red/black collection you've got there. I sorely need to up my organization skills. That spread is incredible! I keep all my IEM draped over an empty monitor arm at my desk, cables hanging like entrails, IEM dangling in the air like some kind of grizzly trophy. My wife complains about it each time she enters my office. It makes it easy to grab and use though and I rarely deal with tangles. It's just that is has all the vibes of Conan's home village, après la visit from the Snake Cult.

I recently got the AST. It is very good, sort of complementary to the BA10, it is better technically, but the BA10 is more musical.

Soon ... very soon. I'd like to pair those with an ESS Sabre based DAC but can't make up my mind on which one to get.

 

[SpaceOperaVillain]

I knew a fellow in the early 1980's who was a professional commercial photographer. He only used Nikon 35mm. All his stuff was exceptionally SHARP. I asked him once how he shot sharper images with Nikon 35mm than everyone else, who all carried pro (and very expensive) Hasselblad gear,

He said...when he ordered a lens, he put it through extensive testing. He knew at which distances at what f stops, it was "exceptionally sharp". He then adjusted his shooting style to "fit this rage" within each lens.

He also said he would buy 5 or more copies of the lens, extensively test them all, and return all but the one that was "truly exceptional" at some some distances at some f stops.

This was back in the film days...long before digital.

He also owned a Hasselblad camera and lens, that he would "show up with", when applying for a gig, because he said he knew the Art Director would "expect him to have one", but his entire portfolio was actually all shot with 35mm Nikon gear.

That's how it's done. Great story about the stage prop role of his Hasseblad. Hilarious!

There are a lot of people that spend big bucks on f1.* lenses instead of hunting for sharp copies of f3.5 or f4 lenses at 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost. Rookie mistakes and the tell-tale sign of a wealthy amateur with no imagination, a leased BMW and a house full of modern furnishings restricted to clear fluids.

Apologies, I just had some kinda ex-GF flashback.

 

[Podster]

Indeed she was not the villain (that was Zorg) but I conjured that entire fight seen while she was performing the first time I saw "SpaceOperaVillain" As for the cable management SWMBO laid the law down on me and my "at home workdesk/space" just yesterday morning (they let me know you were gone, sorry slipped track again)! She said your back at the office now and I want this cleaned up which as all smart husbands would reply "Yes Mam" One must choose their battles wisely, besides I've not moved a thing yet I will say KZ offers a lot for the money no matter how you slice it Golden oldies and I had to back track a few like the RingIron because my first KZ was the unbelievable..................................................................

They are still in a break neck tie with the venerable Sony 755's for best bargain in portable audio although one requires a whole lot more juice to get you out the atmosphere

 

[PROblemdetected]

Wanna join to the BA10 gang, probably one of the best chifi iem all time.

The last KZ iem that I like was the ASX.
I dont like the DQ6 (uncomfortable)
And the KZ zex pro (Ive got the preCRN version) didnt satisfy me at all.

 

[Podster]

Wanna join to the BA10 gang, probably one of the best chifi iem all time.

The last KZ iem that I like was the ASX.
I dont like the DQ6 (uncomfortable)
And the KZ zex pro (Ive got the preCRN version) didnt satisfy me at all.

You have a nice collection, I only have 5 of the 12. The Terminators were my last KZ purchase still have my KZ Andromeda (always appreciated the Big Balls approach) series with original Gray 5's,Gray (Supposedly bass enhanced) 6's as well 6's in Black, Red and dare I say Campfire GREEN of course in their endless pursuit (and member feedback) the 7's are the fashizzle dizzle on this design IMO

Love those black CCA's and I gotta have a link to the black KZ's with the gold (are those the ASF's)?

 

[PROblemdetected]

You have a nice collection, I only have 5 of the 12. The Terminators were my last KZ purchase still have my KZ Andromeda (always appreciated the Big Balls approach) series with original Gray 5's,Gray (Supposedly bass enhanced) 6's as well 6's in Black, Red and dare I say Campfire GREEN of course in their endless pursuit (and member feedback) the 7's are the fashizzle dizzle on this design IMO



Love those black CCA's and I gotta have a link to the black KZ's with the gold (are those the ASF's)?

BA10, AS12, ASX. ZS6, QT2, ZS7
ZSX, DQ6, ZEXpro, AS10, CCA CRA, CCA CA16

€ 96,83 60%de DESCUENTO | KZ ASX-auriculares con micrófono, dispositivo de audio estéreo deportivo con graves de alta fidelidad, Monitor de oído equilibrado, con cancelación de ruido, 20 unidades
https://a.aliexpress.com/_vor071

I get them on preorder and preIOSS for around 60€

 

[G777]

Wanna join to the BA10 gang, probably one of the best chifi iem all time.

The last KZ iem that I like was the ASX.
I dont like the DQ6 (uncomfortable)
And the KZ zex pro (Ive got the preCRN version) didnt satisfy me at all.

What are your thoughts on the AS12?

 

[saldsald]

Need standardized input per the test specs as well. Since KZ are making clones of the knowles units and don't publish the specs it's hard to know if they're built to the same sensitivity/perf, but an interesting test would be to bench one that match up numbers wise to a knowles equivalent and test the kz output at output values listed for the knowles. I think the results of such a test are potentially far more incriminating than these tear down dead-driver claims. Things like unit variation and defect rates need to be factored in also to choose a suitable sample size for conclusive results, and we're not privy to any of that information.

I actually have tested and extracted the drivers from 5 pairs of CCA CSN (XUN +30095) and I think the unit variation was fine. Also, the external shell quality of these drivers was much better than expected, just like Knowles in fact.

The thing is they act like tweeters to add spicy to the mix so even they have a huge unit variation they can still make the unit to sound very similar. Most people just have a wrong understanding of how IEMs are tuned and having minimal sound from these drivers doesn't mean they are dummies. If they are tuned louder all these IEMs should have very weird looking peaks and troughs across the SPL, sometimes like TRN's graphs.

The DQ6s as admitted by KZ has QC issue but not fake drivers. I just hope people are accusing them for the right thing even this has to be turned viral.

 

[RyuzakiL26]

Damn, I hope everyone will donate their extra copy of every KZ multi-driver iems and undergo crossover test. I have now doubts if my BA10 and ZSX are working at 100%, I mean all drivers are working / contributing to the SQ - not the "working but insignificant to the SQ".