Knowledge Zenith (KZ) impressions thread

Jun 18, 2023 at 4:12 AM Post #62,071 of 68,007
Why would you kill the treble air of the PR2 lol.

Thinner drivers do make the sound more analytical based on my experience with hifiman headphones. The Nano Diaphragm ones sound faster, and crisper.

The magnet shape and structure also make a big impact to sound. I don't like their stealth magnet upgraded headphones versus the originals. They always sound more muted even though they're are claimed to be more acoustically transparent than the original magnets.

Yes, less coherent on mine compared to the PR2 V1 and overall worse technicalities and less polished treble.

I eqed them to have annihilator like bass levels (as fan as you can get without bloat) and they sound great.

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You have iems like M9 and maybe other midfi ones. Where do you place the PR2 in terms of details, soundstage and resolution compared to those? Is it very close or the differences jump at you?
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 4:32 AM Post #62,073 of 68,007
Hey guys, I'm feeling the itch again - out of all the units I've tried so far, my favorites are the CCA C12, CCA C10 and KZ ZS7.The ZS7 would probably be the overall winner but it hurts my ears, whereas the CCAs are much better in this regard. Are any of the currently available CCA models an audible upgrade?

I'm very much a fan of the V-shaped tunings CCA and KZ put out, so I already really like the sound signatures of the IEMs listed above, but I'd like some additional clarity on the very top end (10kHz+) and possibly a slightly tamed upper mid area (the spikes from 3-5kHz, depending on the model). Slightly smoother sound, but extended further into the high range is what I'm looking for.

More definition in the mids is probably not something to shoot for as it's unlikely to be possible with the tuning I like (even on much higher end headphones once I'm done EQ'ing them to my taste they lose a lot of detail in the midrange).

So... which current models should I be looking at?


I think trying out the new single DD models is also probably a no-brainer, right?
You 100% should try out the ZS10 Pro X 👍🏻
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 5:00 AM Post #62,076 of 68,007
Jun 18, 2023 at 5:41 AM Post #62,078 of 68,007
Thanks guys, ZS10 Pro X is in the shopping cart. The frequency graph in the review shows that it might be a very good fit.

Should I be looking at the new planar models at all for my preferences?
You will definitely not be disappointed 🎶
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 5:45 AM Post #62,079 of 68,007
You will definitely not be disappointed 🎶
If you've been following this thread over the course of the past month or so, the PR2 started off as a promising IEM - if you're a lucky lottery winner in getting your hands on the v1 tuned by HBB. There's a huge inconsistency with their QC (always been the case with KZ, but more prevalent in the case of the PR2). Still if you grab a set for $30 or so, worth the purchase
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 7:47 AM Post #62,080 of 68,007
"Unfortunately I don't think it's possible to globally EQ these because they are very inconsistent unit to unit."

With the PR2 v2's frequency response now being controlled entirely by electronics and a nozzle filter, unit variation will be reduced to an absolute minimum. PR2 v1 would exhibit more unit variation because of the greater potential of misalignment of the filter over the driver. This greater potential was due more room for filter movement leading to a loser tolerance.

It's not possible to create a universal EQ, which is something that even Harman doesn't attempt to do, because of Head Related Transfer Function and personal preferences.

Here's an example of the shelving filters used in Harman's research:

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These are variances on the order of ±10 dB!

Dr. Olive, one of the principle researchers of the Harman targets, can be found discussing it himself here.

Regarding HRTF, it is "a response that characterizes how an ear receives a sound from a point in space. As sound strikes the listener, the size and shape of the head, ears, ear canal, density of the head, size and shape of nasal and oral cavities, all transform the sound and affect how it is perceived, boosting some frequencies and attenuating others. Generally speaking, the HRTF boosts frequencies from 2–5 kHz with a primary resonance of +17 dB at 2,700 Hz. But the response curve is more complex than a single bump, affects a broad frequency spectrum, and varies significantly from person to person." - Wikipedia - Head Related Transfer Function

When both unit variation and especially HRTF are taken into account, the futility of attempting to create a universal EQ profile for the PR2 becomes glaringly obvious.

So, we start with a baseline, which is whatever target response curve one generally finds to be the most pleasing - with the PR2 this was what the collaboration between KZ and HBB came up with - and we personalize it from there.
That's a positive then, from what I've found for myself there's a lot of potential in these with EQ.

These are awesome for classical if you add a bit of warmth to the mids and tame the whole treble range a bit :)

Personally, at least just EQing to it, the HBB tuning isn't to my tastes. But I can't say for certain unless I hear the originals.
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 9:03 AM Post #62,081 of 68,007
Hopefully this is the right place to ask this question. Has anyone owned both the ZS10 Pro X as well as the more recent Kiwi Ears Cadenza?

I had a set of ZS10 Pro X last year and was really impressed with them, I thought they were brilliant. But sold them for a set of over-ear headphones.

But now I’m craving another set of IEM and have been looking at more recent models. So I’m wondering if the ZS10 Pro X have been outclassed at the same price range. Specifically the Kiwi Ears Cadenza. Are they ‘better’ than the ZS10 Pro X? I know tuning preference plays a big part but do I feel there’s some IEMs you put in and just instantly realise “yeh, these are better”
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 9:09 AM Post #62,082 of 68,007
Hey guys, I'm feeling the itch again - out of all the units I've tried so far, my favorites are the CCA C12, CCA C10 and KZ ZS7.The ZS7 would probably be the overall winner but it hurts my ears, whereas the CCAs are much better in this regard. Are any of the currently available CCA models an audible upgrade?

I'm very much a fan of the V-shaped tunings CCA and KZ put out, so I already really like the sound signatures of the IEMs listed above, but I'd like some additional clarity on the very top end (10kHz+) and possibly a slightly tamed upper mid area (the spikes from 3-5kHz, depending on the model). Slightly smoother sound, but extended further into the high range is what I'm looking for.

More definition in the mids is probably not something to shoot for as it's unlikely to be possible with the tuning I like (even on much higher end headphones once I'm done EQ'ing them to my taste they lose a lot of detail in the midrange).

So... which current models should I be looking at?


I think trying out the new single DD models is also probably a no-brainer, right?
I am a fan of the ZS7, so I think you may enjoy the CCA CA16 (original) and the CKX. Both are excellent with superb bass and are somewhat V shaped. I didn't like the CA16 Pro or C10 Pro either. YMMV, of course!
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 9:25 AM Post #62,083 of 68,007
Hopefully this is the right place to ask this question. Has anyone owned both the ZS10 Pro X as well as the more recent Kiwi Ears Cadenza?

I had a set of ZS10 Pro X last year and was really impressed with them, I thought they were brilliant. But sold them for a set of over-ear headphones.

But now I’m craving another set of IEM and have been looking at more recent models. So I’m wondering if the ZS10 Pro X have been outclassed at the same price range. Specifically the Kiwi Ears Cadenza. Are they ‘better’ than the ZS10 Pro X? I know tuning preference plays a big part but do I feel there’s some IEMs you put in and just instantly realise “yeh, these are better”
Maybe try Blon Z300 if you want a single DD?
 
Jun 18, 2023 at 9:51 AM Post #62,084 of 68,007
I'm not aware of how good cadenza sounds in person, but recently saw this video where it was constantly ranked first on a blind test by common people who use airpods.


Honestly, I wish the dust settles soon on this multiple entries in sub 50-100$ category. But it seems they are only going to push more and more releases.

I've not even heard any review here about Joyodio VZ10. It has same 4+1 configuration as ZS10 pro x. Some 256 sound variations you can get out of 8 tuning switches.
 

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