[craige]

[size=medium]I have bought Klipsch S3 Earphones, and to my surprise the sound is very low on my mobile phone even on max., whereas when i connect it to my iPod its loud.[/size]
 
[size=medium]I searched around a bit and i think the problem is the power requirement of the earphone is quite high tht  phone is not able to deliver and so the low sound.[/size]
[size=medium]So i wud like to ask, in future how to avoid this problem when buying and know beforehand the power req. of the earphones.[/size]
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[size=medium]PS: I am also having other two diff. earphones and the volume is damn loud on them on both my iPod & Mobile.[/size]

 

[NA Blur]

[size=10pt]In short your headphones have too low of an impedance for your phone's amplifier.  See below for more details.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]How well a system can drive a headphone often stems from two things.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]1.)  Sensitivity in dB[/size]
[size=10pt]2.)  Impedance[/size]
 
[size=10pt]For the Image S3 the specs are:[/size]
[size=10pt]Sensitivity: 106dB[/size]
[size=10pt]Impedance: 18 Ohms[/size]
[size=10pt]http://www.klipsch.com/image-s3-graphite-gray-in-ear-headphones#second[/size]
 
[size=10pt]As a general rule of thumb the higher the sensitivity the better easier it is to deliver higher volumes through the headphones.  Think of it as efficiency.  The higher the efficiency the easier it is to drive the headphones to a louder level.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]For impedance, which is certainly trickier, there are two rules of thumb.  The first is to avoid headphones and in particular earphones that have an impedance below 20 Ohms.  Some systems and thus amps cannot drive low impedance headphones.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]Physics[/size]
[size=10pt]Ohm's Law:  V = I*R[/size]
[size=10pt]Voltage is equal to current in amps ( I ) times the resistance ( Ohms ).[/size]
[size=10pt]Joule's Law:  P = I^2*R or P = V^2/R[/size]
[size=10pt]Power in watts is equal to the current squared times the resistance or power is equal to the voltage squared over the resistance.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]With most amps the voltage is the constant.  Once you set it to a level the voltage is fixed.  The resistance is the impedance of the headphones which is also fixed ( in most cases ).  This leaves the current ( I ) to vary.  Keeping this in mind look at  the power equation P = V^2/R.  The power draw / needed to drive the headphone goes up as the resistance goes down.  So the lower the impedance of the headphones the harder is on the amp.  The amp or amp section of your phone for example is limited on how much current it can deliver accurately.  Similarly working with Ohm's law one can see that V/R = I.  Remembering that the voltage is fixed when the volume knob is set we see that as resistance goes down the current goes up.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]Unfortunately low impedance headphones can be tricky to drive properly.  I have ran into limits like this with the Musichall 25.1 amplifier / DAC.  Of course the folks at music hall can give you the schematic for the circuitry so you can modify the output impedance yourself which would prevent this problem in the future.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]In your case you may be able to is a Line Out Device ( LOD ) to bypass the phones amp section which may avoid impedance issues.[/size]

 

[craige]

Thx "NA Blur" for detailed explanation above.
 
I would like to know a couple of things now:
 
1] I am using Samsung Galaxy note... how can i know what is the ideal impendance tht will provide normal and expected loud volume - Will it be earphones with rating of 20 Ohms etc... ?
 
2] If i buy expensive earphones like Shure315 or similar tht have extremely like Impendence like 27 Ohms etc... can i be at peace of mind and it will play clear & loud with all my equipments including all mobile phones? OR such high specifications of the earphones comes with some other compatibility problems... ?

 

[craige]

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[our martin]

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Get yourself a sanza clip zip to go with your image s3's!

 

[petralian]

The S3 sensitivity seems to be too low for your phone to handle.
 
I am using Sennheiser IE60's (115 dB and 16 Ohm) and those run fantastic on my Galaxy S3. They have higher sensitivity compare to the S3 and lower Ohm.
 
Read this:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/325883/earphones-16-ohm-v-s-32-ohm-any-difference
 
The ohm is a measure of electrical resistance, and to keep it simple, lower ohms in a headphone means that the driving amplifier tends to need more current output and higher ohm ratings mean that the amplifier needs to have greater voltage swing.
 
It means that your sensitivity especially for limited power source (such as your phone) is very important.
I would not be confused by 
 
For impedance, which is certainly trickier, there are two rules of thumb.  The first is to avoid headphones and in particular earphones that have an impedance below 20 Ohms.  Some systems and thus amps cannot drive low impedance headphones.
 
I haven't met one phone that cannot drive low (less as 20 Ohm) headphones. What I did meet is lots of phones that cannot drive higher Ohm / lower sensitivity headphones because they require too much power (voltage).
 
Low Ohm combined with high sensitivity headphones are the thing to look for if you want to avoid an extra amp on your phone.

 

[EveTan]

I'm also trying to learn about this impedance thing. So, if a headphone has low impedance, it needs more power from an amp to drive? What happens when I experience hissing from my amp? What is that due to? Too much power? That means it needs an even lower impedance to stop the hissing? What would I need to stop the hissing yet maintain a nice sq?
 
*PS, The problem specifically is my M80s are hissing from my RoCoo P. I want to limit the hissing (which I presume I would use an impedance adapater of X ohms) while maintaining the maximum sound sq my headphones can be driven at.
 
**Nevermind, found my answer