JCAT femto / XE USB3 PCIe controller Review + Appreciation Thread
Aug 16, 2022 at 11:32 AM Post #46 of 167
Chord Dacs have good and bad factors which impact the performance of these otherwise excellent products. They are very sensitive to noise on signal ground due to the way they treat incoming signals, which can lead to a tiring overbright sound signature. Utilising a LPSU to power a USB card such as the JCAT can bring great improvement here, but a poor PSU will be very disappointing. The JCAT cards, being 5v powered, do not seem to perform voltage regulation on the power line out to the DAC (Marcin may correct me here but 5v in and 5v out leaves no headroom for regulators to work) - this means investing in PSU is where the big gain is when using Femto or XE with Chord dacs because they utilise the 5v USB in (for handshake at least) and any noise is going to impact the sound (this is one reason why Rob Watts prefers optical in - galvanic isolation).

On the other hand, this same design and the way Rob Watts handles clocking within the DACs mean they are largely immune to jitter. The TT2 will not care too much about the precision with which data is clocked into the DAC. So, benefit from the excellent clock in the JCAT cards may not be great. (As an aside here, I have found that cleanliness of signal and ground connections into Chord products is probably the most influential factor in getting good sound out of them. A well implemented USB cable or SPDIF cables will improve the sound more than almost anything else you can fiddle with here.)

There are measurements for the Allo Shanti on other webs sites I think - worth checking how it performs - and you also need to understand how well it deals with rf noise fed in from the mains, a lot of LPSUs are not good at filtering hf noise. More expensive PSUs may be better at this or not. Farad and Plixir have a good reputation, as does the JCAT PSU.
Thank you very much for these good information.

Since the TT2 is “ignorring” jitter its actually better investing in optical/spdif cable. How about optical usb cable?

Im also interested in the jcat pcie interface because I also have a recording daw audio usb card. Its usb powered so maybe it will benefit from that also.

Edit: regarding psu I might go with shanti for jcat. Maybe also one for TT2, mcru is the brandname

Or this for TT2, even though it has 5A?
https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/hifi...-ifi-audio-pro-ican-15v-5a-100va-p-12843.html
 
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Aug 16, 2022 at 1:21 PM Post #47 of 167
Thank you very much for these good information.

Since the TT2 is “ignorring” jitter its actually better investing in optical/spdif cable. How about optical usb cable?

Im also interested in the jcat pcie interface because I also have a recording daw audio usb card. Its usb powered so maybe it will benefit from that also.

Edit: regarding psu I might go with shanti for jcat. Maybe also one for TT2, mcru is the brandname

Or this for TT2, even though it has 5A?
https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/hifi...-ifi-audio-pro-ican-15v-5a-100va-p-12843.html
Hi

No experience with aftermarket power for TT2 - but the MCRU device is quite popular I think. (Lot's of people rate the Farad3, I think pricing is similar?)

Using a optical cable for USB may be a good option for TT2 but to be truly effective you probably need a battery to run the optical receiver otherwise you're limiting the galvanic isolation.

Using a good USB PICIE card with a pro-audio DAW soundcard may be a good move (my audio interface for Ableton is built into my Yamaha Keyboard, does not use USB power, so haven't tried that approach, but it may help if you have any noise on the DAW interface). You need to be sure the PCIE card and PSU can supply the required current for the soundcard though. If it runs mic preamps, that might be an issue.
 
Aug 16, 2022 at 1:34 PM Post #48 of 167
Hi

No experience with aftermarket power for TT2 - but the MCRU device is quite popular I think. (Lot's of people rate the Farad3, I think pricing is similar?)

Using a optical cable for USB may be a good option for TT2 but to be truly effective you probably need a battery to run the optical receiver otherwise you're limiting the galvanic isolation.

Using a good USB PICIE card with a pro-audio DAW soundcard may be a good move (my audio interface for Ableton is built into my Yamaha Keyboard, does not use USB power, so haven't tried that approach, but it may help if you have any noise on the DAW interface). You need to be sure the PCIE card and PSU can supply the required current for the soundcard though. If it runs mic preamps, that might be an issue.
About the last part. Its USB2.0 I don´t think it will use more power than the USB standard. Even in 48 phantom mode. You think?

"The main problem with bus powered USB2 interfaces is that they have a total available power that is limited to 2.5 watts (5V x 0.5A). The designer has to work out where to divide up that power - and remember that phantom power for 2 mic inputs could consume around 0.3W with power hungry mics."

I just cant decide if the USB Enhancer is worth it
 
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Aug 16, 2022 at 4:12 PM Post #50 of 167
Has anyone tried the OPTIMO nano power supply yet?
im very close to pull the trigger on:
Jcat xe usb card
Nano psu power for XE and 1 SSD
(Im unsure about the usb enhancer)

But for psu(nano) I think its very smart that it powers up/down with computer. No external box needed.

Or you are not going to use it with jcat card the psu?

 
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Sep 21, 2022 at 1:24 PM Post #51 of 167
I think this card(USB XE+usb enhancer) is insane. I have absolutely so much silence, that the distortion/ambient elements/particles you name it, they are present yes, the only noise/artifacts I can hear is in the recording. Its so clean I feel paranoid of it sometimes, and think there is something wrong LOL!
 
Sep 21, 2022 at 3:22 PM Post #52 of 167
Imo the XE just gives a taste of what's possible if you look at the server overall, from clean power, cabling, cooling, shielding, etc. The XE is low effort, high impact, but (it's crazy that) those qualities you're experiencing can still get even better.
 
Sep 21, 2022 at 3:40 PM Post #53 of 167
Imo the XE just gives a taste of what's possible if you look at the server overall, from clean power, cabling, cooling, shielding, etc. The XE is low effort, high impact, but (it's crazy that) those qualities you're experiencing can still get even better.
Its not the only thing in my chain, I believe the iFi products and the furutech also to give credit. When I reach 300 hours of burnin of my system I am going to test all my hardware and record everything for AB test. It's amazing how it sounds with the whole chain (before only TT2 to computer) It was heavenly/light/balanced in the sound, but got deeper in bass deeper soundstage and this is from XLR.

Can you please explain of whats possible? :)
 
Sep 21, 2022 at 5:30 PM Post #54 of 167
I believe the iFi products and the furutech also to give credit.

That's the cool part. The effect of all these products stacks, because fundamentally most of them were designed to do the same thing (lowering noise floor). The difference is in how they do it and how much they cost :wink:
 
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Sep 21, 2022 at 7:03 PM Post #55 of 167
and their effectiveness*
@OCC7N I'll expand in a bit to the best of my abilities, but it's not an easy topic and there are others with more experience. It seems like most of the bleeding edge stuff is going on on the JPlay & AudiophileStyle forums -- specifically the AS threads "Building a DIY Music Server" and "A novel way to massively improve the SQ of computer audio streaming".
 
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Sep 22, 2022 at 4:38 PM Post #56 of 167
Building a DIY Music Server

I saw this one, lots of useful info for folks into building such machines on their own. It's interesting that many homebrewed servers actually are based on gaming motherboards :)
 
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Sep 22, 2022 at 4:46 PM Post #57 of 167
That's the cool part. The effect of all these products stacks, because fundamentally most of them were designed to do the same thing (lowering noise floor). The difference is in how they do it and how much they cost :wink:
The iFi Elite is a true beast! I took it out of the system/desktop chain, and plugged it into the Diablo.

I get the same dark beautiful profile on the AryaV2 now like I did on the deaktop setting.

Its night and day what this Elite does for me!
 
Sep 22, 2022 at 5:02 PM Post #58 of 167
The iFi Elite is a true beast! I took it out of the system/desktop chain, and plugged it into the Diablo.

I get the same dark beautiful profile on the AryaV2 now like I did on the deaktop setting.

Its night and day what this Elite does for me!

Thanks! It's always nice to hear about folks happy with iPower Elite and improvements it makes in their setups :beerchug:
 
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Sep 22, 2022 at 5:06 PM Post #59 of 167
Thanks! It's always nice to hear about folks happy with iPower Elite and improvements it makes in their setups :beerchug:
Thanks :)

REQUEST: Don´t make more entrylevel dacs please, evolve on the Diablo being designed around the Elite psu ... Zen and Air is enough in the entry level desktop line. We need something between the ZEN/AIR and iDSD Pro :)
 
Sep 23, 2022 at 6:38 PM Post #60 of 167
I wanna talk about clock a little.

What is the use of JCAT OCXO clock if I decide on buying a DDC. If I buy a Singxer, Matrix or a DI20HE. Don´t they bypass the clock on the JCAT carrd?

Never thought headfi would be science for me, but there is soo much to learn, and I am still lacking behind.

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