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I'm literally just trying to have a civilized discussion here and explain my viewpoints but it seems I've only attracted children thus far and now I'm actually pissed off. The first guy basically just says "these are the rules, follow them or leave" LOL. Real helpful..especially in a thread that started because THE RULE IS NOT BEING ENFORCED. I mean really, look at the for sale forums...I personally haven't sold anything on here in almost a decade...so I really am just trying to have a discussion here. Something I now regret...
So was I (trying to have a civilised conversation). Perhaps a little background info might help. I was a Mod on this board, and we tried to enforce the rule as much as possible. But with literally thousands of posts every day and very few volunteer Moderators, unless the FS posts were reported, we wouldn't have a hope in Hades of actually finding them. Usually the only time they were reported was when it was too late - dispute had broken out, and the party who had agreed with the option of "gift" was invariably out of pocket with no recourse. And I'd guess about 70-80% of the disputes we ended up dealing with was because people had been offered and accepted the "gift" option. Whenever something turns sour - the party with the issue is left stranded.
The second problem is that the FS forum used to be for the members of the audio forum here to buy and sell goods. IE members buying/selling/trading were actively participating in the forums. Over time, Head-Fi almost seemed to be come a trading post with a forum as an afterthought. Personally I'd make the rules a lot tougher - must be here certain amount of time, must be an active member etc.
Lastly, I can assure you I'm not a child. Mine are nearly grown now and off to varsity soon
Buy, Sell and Trade Rules (Updated June 2017)
Classifieds Posting Guide (Updated June 2017)
Scam Warnings! Important Reading! (Updated August 2016)
They're at the top of all the FS forums, and they're pretty clear. The point I was trying to make - is if you want to sell gear, and you insist on using the gift option - then go do it on another site. The rules here are pretty clear. Personally I'd never deal with someone who insists on gift, and especially if I didn't know them.
As far as the signature goes. I'm in NZ. We have very strict gun laws (thank goodness!!), and while I've had plenty of packages delivered while I'm mot home, anything with high value I insist on sig required (same when I send). Why? because that way I get proof of delivery. If something goes wrong (eg the package goes missing), I have legal recourse. And in NZ - if they can't make the delivery, they take it back to the depot and notify you so that you can make alternate arrangements (deliver somewhere else, or you can pick up). Its all ID controlled, and works really well.
I'd never send 1K worth of gear with gift option, no sig etc. Asking for trouble and breaking multiple rules - including those of Paypal.
If you have an issue here - maybe talk to Jude, Joe or Brian (the Admins). I doubt you'll see anything changed though. Paypal Gift just creates to many opportunities for someone to rip off someone else.