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Although that sounds clever, "you" would have to have randomly(with no cause) appeared out of nothing in order to invent this something.
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ahh... so you're saying that something had to create the creator, eh? so then, what did create the creator? and what creator created that creator? just like the old lady told Hawking: "it's turtles all the way down!"
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| Are "you" a figment of mine and your imagination? Why would a meaningless creature in a meaningless, randomly appearing out of nothing from nothing world and universe have an imagination or have a desire to "invent"? Why are we meaningless, chance-born, appearing from nothing by nothing individuals even concerned with his topic? Do you see the meaningless and utter hopelessness of this scenario? |
no, i don't. in fact, i have no idea, really, what this "meaning" is that you talk about. we are here, we have self-consciousness, it's a remarkable thing. just because we are the product of billions of years of evolution doesn't make our existence meaningless. the simple fact that we are here has meaning to us.. because if it weren't a fact, we wouldn't be here! that's enough meaning for me!
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| Some say certain beliefs were "invented" to give people false hope and fill these holes in ourselves and to control people etc. This is laughable to me. |
of course it's laughable to you. but no one here has been speaking of belief. we've been discussing science based on the observable universe. it's an endlessly fascinating topic.. and very important to human advancement!
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| Well, again why would we be concerned with this hole if we are meaningless and random etc etc? Why is the hole there at all? Why would we or should we care? Oh but we do...don't we? |
yes! we do! our technology is based on much of what we've learned from astrophysics and other scientific studies! what does meaning and randomness have to do with it? it seems you've tossed those words out there as red herrings, because no one else has brought them up.
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| Sure we act tough when the lights are on and we're feeling good, but in the quieter, darker moments..... |
not sure what you're getting at
i'm a happy person, even in the dark... especially when i'm gazing at the cosmos! Carl Sagan is my co-pilot.
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| Also you are avoiding the unavoidable fact of the immense complexity of order and design in this randomly appearing all by itself from nothing universe. |
we didn't come from nothing...where did you get that idea?
the current observable universe came from a singularity of some sort, not nothing! perhaps the next universe will emerge from the remains of this one.
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| Milkweg: Nothing is absolutely N O T H I N G...not an empty space in an already existing area... |
how do you know there's ever been nothing? science certainly doesn't say that. i don't know of any other literature that does, either.
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