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Insomnia anyone?

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  1. MrGreen

    Originally Posted by baka1969 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    I've had chronic onset insomnia for over 25 years. Yes it's a serious condition. One that gets more difficult to deal with, with each passing year. I assure you, I've tried all the home-brewed remedies to no avail.

    FWIW when I was younger I had insomnia (when I was 8-14 or so I got an hours sleep) or so. I was put onto catapres (along with my ADHD medication), and that sorted it out for me. I don't have problems sleeping anymore (off medication now)...

    Keeping myself from becoming nocturnal is the hard part
  2. Slash47

    Originally Posted by nhancakes /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    You haven't tried going to a sleep disorder clinic? or are you against medication?

    There is no real medication. Clinics mostly do research. Treatments just give you a nudge in the right direction, but they don't 'heal' you.

    Like MrGreen said, you can keep yourself from becoming nocturnal again, but deep down you still are and there's a strong tendency to 'relapse'.

    I actually quit school because of it when I was 17. Some teachers wanted to send me to a psychiatric facility because they thought I was deeply depressed. I actually got a statement from 3 renowned neurologists that they should give me a break every once in a while, but that was considered unfair towards the other students (who couldn't care less, I always had lots of friends). Went to a different school but that was the same.

    Now, 3 years later, I have my own business and I couldn't be happier. I sleep irregular hours, sometime from 12pm to 8am, sometimes from 12am to 8pm.
  3. gilency Contributor
    Amongst high school or college students, delayed sleep phase syndrome is quite common. Sleep phase is delayed (go to bed late, wake up late) and there is not drowsiness if you are able to follow this pattern. Alas, getting up late does not agree with most of our social endeavors.
    Amongst older people, the opposite is more common: advanced phase sleep syndrome (go to bed early, get up early).
    With either syndrome, getting enough sleep (whether phase is advanced or delayed) drowsiness is not a problem, unless another sleep disorder coexists.
    Insomnia is not dangerous and is not going to kill you. The more you worry about it, the worse it may get, so don't get frustrated about it.
    Healthy sleep habits should help you:
    2-no caffeine after twelve noon (or none at all)
    3- bed is for sleep and sex only. Nothing else.
    4-keep a regular sleep time. Need to go to bed and get up at the same time, including week ends.
    5-deal with worries before bedtime.
    6-don't look at the clock at night.
    7-a hot water bath may help
    8-avoid bright lights before bedtime
    9-if you can't fall asleep within 20-30 minutes, get out of bed, go to another room and do something that does not keep your attention. No bright lights. Go back to bed when drowsy. Repeat as often as needed. Your own circadian clock will eventually kick in.
    No alcohol at bedtime (may help you fall asleep but it will fragment sleep in the long run)
    10-no smoking close to bedtime (if at all).
    11-comfortable sleep environment: minimal noise, dark, comfortable mattress and pillow
    12-no naps
    If symptoms persist, it could be insomnia, but also could mean a superimposed sleep disorder, depression, pain, anxiety, etc. Time to see a sleep specialist.
    Good luck to you!
  4. logwed

    Originally Posted by Slash47 /img/forum/go_quote.gif

    Now, 3 years later, I have my own business and I couldn't be happier. I sleep irregular hours, sometime from 12am to 8pm, sometimes from 12pm to 8am.

    You sleep 18 hours a day?

    I'm glad that you were able to work something out and be successful, though!
  5. wuaffiliate

    Originally Posted by Pepsi /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    Anyone here night owls?
    What do you do/use to help to you go to sleep?
    Some may enjoy the night time, i for once would like to be awake during the daytime.

    I'm currently unemployed waiting to go back to college in sept so my current job is selling/buying/reselling on ebay so it makes my sleep schedule silly.

    I've always been a night owl, but yeah it can really get to you and to get to sleep before the damn sun comes up i try to stay away from drinking any caffeine and eating past 8pm.

    Would be nice to be able to take an herbal thing to fall asleep, i am not a fan of rx pills at all so sleeping pills are out of the equation.

    I also have sleep apnea and i have not picked up a cpap yet so that has a huge effect on how i sleep, when i do go down i will go down for 10+ hours.
  6. HeyItsBattleKid
    My heart really goes out to those that have any kind of difficulty with sleep. Especially people like Baka, that have had to deal with stress of it all. It seeps into other aspects of life and does so for the worse. I had to drop out of college last semester, not of an insomnia condition, but the lifestyle it can so easily lead to. I struggled to care about life in general. I chose not to feel responsible. Eventually all I'm doing is showing up for work late, only to support my living. I'm buying pizza packs and cereal for food, and not washing clothes... it was crap! But let me tell you, once one thing works out, your mood suddenly changes. And for that moment, harness that ambition and use it, go crazy! Keep picking up the bricks. Before you know it, you will have the lifestyle you've only dreamed of having. It takes a taste of failure, to have an ambition for success. It sounds silly that sleep can lead you down that road, but take one step at a time and who can really get something good from it.

    I've always been one who has been super productive during the night. I've cleaned my apartment at 4am, worked on organizing DVDs at 5am and started breakfast at 3:30am, just powering through the night, rather than face a wretched 3 hour nap. For those that are just having difficulties with sleep and slipping into a crazy lifestyle, there are things that have helped me get back on track:

    Naps: Limit yourself to 20-30 min power naps. They feel very refreshing and don't allow your body to get into a comfortable, dreamy state. If you try too hard to fall asleep during these naps, simply say at 30 min, get up and move on. I would highly recommend learning a thing or two about meditation and hypnosis. They really teach you how to relax and put your thinking processes in park.

    Activity: Start doing some more rigorous activity. Whether it is running, playing in a sport, or lifting weights. 30 minutes of focused weight lifting will cause your body to collapse into a bed. I like doing my activities later at night, so when I come back, I can relax to music, a movie or something of that nature. This has been very effective for me.

    Snack Time: Have a nice little snack before bedtime. Try to stay away from any sugar and caffeine, and look for more foods with protein, fiber and certain kinds of fats. All take long times for your body to break down so they won't have as energizing an effect. They also keep your body metabolizing during the night. Nuts, peanut butter, multi grain breads are all great (specifically for nummy peanut butter toast [​IMG] )

    The Pill: I advise to stay away from any prolonged use medication, if possible. However, they are great to get you started if the snacks, activity and naps are quite cutting it. Melatonin works for some. For me it was strong and leaving me drowsy in the mornings. I've also tried forms of Unisom, which have a much more gradual effect, but seems to make me want to lie down over time. I also recommend talking to your doctor. Not all medications work the same on all people. Just be a responsible user and kick it once you have your new healthy lifestyle [​IMG]

    If you ever need some pointers or just an ear, give me a holler! I've been pretty far down under and know what its like. If you know how to get back on top, its easy enough, no matter what doubts you have right now. It always feels good to be living a lifestyle you want.

    Sorry for the speech, but it feels good to help out a fellow brotha or sista [​IMG]

    EDIT: And if you get the chance, don't live somewhere cold. For me, winter is a terrible season. It sucks the ambition right out of you! 1-2 years and I'm out of here!!!
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  8. Slash47

    Originally Posted by logwed /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    You sleep 18 hours a day?

    I'm glad that you were able to work something out and be successful, though!

    Small typo [​IMG]
  9. ClemBurmingham
    I've had problems sleeping for a few years now. Started at about 14, got real bad at 18 when some problems in life started, and has calmed down some now (Just turned 23 earlier this month). I take medication maybe 3 time a month on nights I just can't get to sleep. For me I have found a long day of work, 2-3 hours of drumming, a half hour soak in a hot tub, and the occasional couple shots of liquor keeps me asleep pretty well.
  10. gilency Contributor
  11. nickosha
    I have the delayed sleep phase syndrome that gilency mentioned. It's not terrible or anything, but it certainly isn't nice after you go to bed at 2 or 3AM and wake up just a few hours later for school for a few days in a row. It's still nothing compared to anyone who has actual sleep problems, though.
  12. baka1969 Contributor

    Originally Posted by nhancakes /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    You haven't tried going to a sleep disorder clinic? or are you against medication?

    Yes I am against that type of medication.
  13. baka1969 Contributor
    LoL Lack of sleep are the lesser of my stresses. Try caring for an elderly couple full time yourself; one with Altzheimers and the other that had a stroke. The only three days I've had off in 2 1/2 years were the three I was in the hospital when I had my heart attack. The day I got out it was business as usual. Lmao As I said before, sleeping is for dead people. LoL
  14. cp8ir
    Thanks for your post, Gilency... I never realized DSPS was an actual disorder and not just "laziness".... guess I should do some research. I've had this syndrome 20+ years and it's made school and work difficult to manage!
  15. gilency Contributor
    You are welcome. the list of healthy tips for good sleep mentioned above seems trivial but it really contributes to a better sleep in the long run.
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