[Impression] Über Muzik Tiny Tube DAC
Apr 22, 2011 at 2:20 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 48

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First, I’ll like to thanks Audio Hub for the opportunity to audition the Tiny Tube DAC. This little USB DAC is co-developed by Audio Hub and its Chinese partner which handles the production. Audio Hub on the other hand handles the sale and marketing under its own brand, the Über Muzik, which will expand to other tube gear including an upcoming desktop tube amp as well.

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iPod Nano 4G as size reference.
 
Hardware, a thing or two…
I remember just a few years back the market was stuck with a good amount of TI’s PCM270x based USB DAC, at least for the low end market (*yet some were priced not so low end). While a few of them are quite decent sounding, the majority is pretty plain by today’s standard. Nowadays the much more sophisticated 24/94 or even 24/192 solution has became a common place for USB DAC. The DAC chip inside the Tiny Tube DAC is the relatively unknown, 24/48 supported UAC3553B from Micronas. A little research into the DAC chip has yielded very little detail. It is quite an old chip and even Micronas doesn’t list it on its website anymore, but nevertheless it still looks quite decent based on what little spec it does have  floating on the internet. One of the things I like about the UAC3553B chip is its ability to support 24bits directly on USB (which it also handles). Quite a few of the small USB DAC in the market can’t handle 24bit not because the DAC’s limitation, but because the USB receiver chip can’t do 24bit. Instead the users often have to use S/PDIF connection to get proper 24bits support, which defeats the idea of getting them as an 24bit USB DAC in the first place. Of course there is still the discussion on whether 24bit sounds better than 16bit – but that’s is a discussion better left for another time.

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The tube comes with its own test certificate and serial number.

After the DAC chip, the signal is buffered with a Psvane 12AT7 tube before going into the headphone amp section. For those who don’t know, Psvane is actually marketed as a premier tube brand from Shuguang. One Psvane 12AT7 tube usually goes for $40+ on the web but most of the time two are sold as a matching pair. Since this is a fairly well regarded tube, I guess tube rolling is probably no required. Unfortunately I only have 12AX7 with me and it can’t be used in the Tiny Tube DAC. On the amp section’s side, it features the also well regarded TI’s TPA6120A2, an opamp designed for driving headphone upward to 600ohm and beyond, even though Audio Hub only claims a 300ohm load. In the case of Tiny Tube DAC however, I think the headphone amp section can easily handle higher load as the output is much stronger than I anticipated.

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On the exterior, there are two headphone-out at the front (one for 6.5mm and one for 3.5mm), an input selection switch for RCA-in / USB-in and volume control. On the back, there are the USB-input, RCA-input, a pre-amp out (one with the speaker sign), the power switch and the 12V power-in. The top of the case is dark acrylic that let the blue LED shines through. The side and back of the casing has grills and holes to help dissipating heat generated by the tube, which is warm to the touch but not burning. Aesthetically there is nothing to dislike about the design of the DAC, except perhaps the blue LED. It should have been orange red since it is the color of growing tube after all. Do note that the DAC itself comes with a 12V DC 800mA adapter that only works with 240V AC at the moment. I am not sure if Audio Hub has any plan to sell an 110V AC version or not. If not, you will have to source one yourself. Overall the DAC with the adapter is a little sensitive to dirty power. It does really hiss much but it is sensitive to electronic appliance that shares the same (or nearby) power socket and occasionally will reset the USB connection when they are turned on or off. Not a big deal but it is thing to note when you are trying to find it a power socket.

Sonic Impression
Being mainly a portable user, I don’t really have any other desktop USB DAC of same class to compare to Tiny Tube DAC. But for what it worth, I did listen to it along side with NuForce uDAC (headphone-out), HifiMan HM602 (as USB NOS DAC) and HM801 (24/192 DAC coax-in fed by uDAC) using Yuin PK1, HifiMan RE262, Fischer Audio FA-003 and Grado SR325i.

The first thing I notice is the dark background, which is something not to my expectation where tube is involved. It creates an openness in the soundstage that is better than any DC I have heard so far, even compared to HM801. It is not that HM801 has a limited soundstage. In fact I always regard HM801 as having one of the best soundstage on any DAP I ever heard. But it does carry a warmish tone in the overall presentation that surrounds the listener. The Tiny Tube DAC on the other hand tends to let the ‘audio space’ faints into the dark background as if there is no ending.

Between all the DAC I listened to, I often find the NuForce to be most ‘digital’ sounding, that’s if you can acknowledge the existence of such a thing (and some might refer it to be ‘accurate’, depends on the view). HM601 with its NOS DAC is of course on the other end with a vey ‘analog’ or musical sound. HM801 is what I consider to have the best of both worlds, musical yet also technically strong. The Tiny Tube DAC is perhaps closer to a digital sound than it is to an analog sound. It is clean and sparkle on the treble with a slight edge that feel a lot like the NuForce but at the same time there is a unique touch of lushness in the mid that makes the presentation more effortless and relaxing, but not obviously warm or full. If there is ever something magical about putting vacuum tube into a DAC, I would say that could very well be it. Bass is where Tiny Tube DAC suffers a bit where it has a much softer impact and shallower body than all other DAC in comparison. Even uDAC, the most compressed and congested sounding in the group, has better bass impact and tightness though completely lose out on other qualities.

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Performance wise, Tiny Tube DAC just seems to lack the ability to drive each note as well, as full, or as deep as HM801. On the other hand, it is quite comparable to HM602 even though the two are almost opposite of each other. While it might not be the best DAC for bass heavy music, the overall tonal balance is still very decent. Synergy wise, neutral to warmish sounding headphone tend to pair the best with Tiny Tube DAC, as in the case of HifiMan RE262 and Fischer Audio FA-003. HM602 on the other hand is better with PK1 and SR325i.

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One of the main issues I have with Tiny Tube DAC is its high gain and output. While it can probably drive 600 ohm headphone just fine, it is bad news for IEM or any headphone with low impedance and high sensitivity. For most of the ‘regular’ low impedance IEM I tested on Tiny Tube DAC, the majority can’t get pass 8 o’clock on the dial when the software volume is set to full on the PC. In situation like these, the imbalance of the pot makes the IEM either missing one of the channels when it is too low or becomes overly loud when the volume is turned up just a little bit. The only way to get better volume control is to reduce the PC setting by almost half.  As I was told, the new batch of the Tiny Tube DAC will have 33ohm resistor implemented on the 3.5mm headphone-out to cut down the gain for IEM. You can still use the 6.5mm headphone-out for those harder to driver big cans.

Though it is called a DAC, the Tiny Tube DAC can also serve as headphone amp if you use the RCA-in. The headphone-out is actually quite good in all regard and doesn’t seem to have the soft bass issue (which likely to originate from the DAC).

Conclusion
Consider that the newer Nuforce uDAC2 is priced at $130 and the few other tube buffered small USB DAC are in the US$200+ price range, the Tiny Tube DAC with its Psvane 12AT7 is quite competitively priced at SGD$250 (= a little over US$200). Well worth a look if you are in the market for a good sounding small USB DAC with some tube action!
 
Apr 23, 2011 at 1:35 AM Post #2 of 48
I noticed that while using the new 33ohm IEM port, clarity seems to suffer and the sound feels more congested, with the soundstage reduced. This doesn't happen when I use the normal 1/4 inch jack. I wonder why...
 
Apr 24, 2011 at 10:43 PM Post #3 of 48
Unfortunately that is the common side effect on adding resistor to the signal path as it attenuate the treble more significantly than bass. But it is still better than the alternative (channels imbalance or overly loud). There is a way to better fit the issue - build a bypass adapter (see impedance optimisation) to match your IEM / headphone. The long term solution is of course to add an gain switch.
 
Oct 8, 2011 at 2:18 AM Post #6 of 48
 
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How would Maverick audios D1 compare with this? Im still a newbie, are the D1's and these the same thing? Thanks

 
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I would really like a comparison to the NFB-12


Sorry for the late reply, though I guess it doesn't really help since I have heard none of them.
 
 
Oct 16, 2011 at 12:08 PM Post #8 of 48


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So this sounds better than the Fiio E10, and only 5 replies in 6 months?
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Is there has to be some correlation between sound quality and replies?
 
 
Nov 14, 2011 at 10:53 AM Post #10 of 48
Is this device in any way different to the Shan Ge SG-200 available over here for about GBP 60?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8645818448

Maybe just a different ECC81?
 
Nov 15, 2011 at 4:00 AM Post #11 of 48
Also: from the description above, it sounds as though the tube buffer is out of circuit when the device is used purely as a headphone amplifier (i.e. using the RCA inputs). Is this the case? If so, it would account for the more "solid state" sound when the DAC is not used!
 
Nov 15, 2011 at 10:54 PM Post #12 of 48
When used as headphone amp, TTD (Tiny Tube DAC) will still pass throught the tube buffer.

The inside chain is actually like this:

DAC -> tube (12AT7) -> small signal opamp (LF353) in unity gain -> power opamp (TPA6120)
AMP ->

I made some modification on my unit:
1. remove the low pass filter between the DAC and the tube. Did not improve anything.
2. change the opamp to OPA1642. Few folded improvement over the standard unit. Now, I cannot say though whether first mod above does not improve anything. Maybe it did not improve because the LF353 hinder the important music pass through it. But the change of the opamp definitely improve a lot.

Originally I'm a bit disappointed after knowing the inside chain of this unit. But further study tell me that it is no way that TPA6120 could be directly fed from the tube. TPA6120 is not easy to implement. TPA6120 need a low impedance preceding stage and unity gain buffer is the right choice.

Now, I wonder if even baypassing the tube might improve the sound or not... :)
But for sure, the Psvane 12AT7 is very transparent tube. in original form, definitely it is the LF353 that colour the TTD, not the tube.

One weakness of this TTD is the power supply implementation is "dirty". The PCB layout inside is also not that good. But despite this condition, TTD's TPA6120 implementation is right and sounds way better than Fostex HP-A3. The Fostex board is clean and tidy, but the TTD amp section beat HP-A3 amp section easily.

So, think of this... even if you are not satisfied with TTD as DAC, TTD amp section alone, I believe, is worth the money. :)

 
May 28, 2013 at 3:52 PM Post #13 of 48
this might be late,
but i was wondering can any1 tell me if this unit is the right combination for my new & coming AKG K702-65anni ?
since i havn't got my anni and i am looking for a DAC/AMP unit,
this TTD just seems too good to be true when it comes with a tube witch SHOULD colored the sound and make it more warm.
but on the other hand, from most reviews i saw this unit is better for already Bass Heavy headphones?
and why is that?
 
May 29, 2013 at 1:08 AM Post #14 of 48
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this might be late,
but i was wondering can any1 tell me if this unit is the right combination for my new & coming AKG K702-65anni ?
since i havn't got my anni and i am looking for a DAC/AMP unit,
this TTD just seems too good to be true when it comes with a tube witch SHOULD colored the sound and make it more warm.
but on the other hand, from most reviews i saw this unit is better for already Bass Heavy headphones?
and why is that?

 
Because the bass impact is a bit soft on the Tiny Tube DAC? Bass heavy headphone will be less affected by a softer bass hit, and might even get a better overall balance out of it. Anyway, the original Tiny Tube DAC is, as far as I know, being replaced by Tiny Tube DAC V2. By spec, the V2 has a better DAC stage and the same tube + opamp combo for headphone-out
 
May 29, 2013 at 12:11 PM Post #15 of 48
first of all i just realize this thread is 2 years old.... sry about that 
if i notice it earlier i will prolly start a new thread.
 
and yea i am aware of the new version V2 
in fact, there's actually a even newer version of this with the OME version overseas
its called "Racoon SG-300 Upgraded Version"
with a upgraded tube from PSVANE 12AT7 to PSVANE 12AT7-T
 
it has everything i ever wanted in this tiny unit, and so far i think it beats Aune T-1 in every possible way
 
however it seems like this is not a very popular piece of gear 
and I guess i just want to know if any1 tried that new version with the PSVANE 12AT7-T
and hopes that it is a good match for my upcoming AKG K702.65
 
you mentioned that the original version doesn't have a good bass impact,
witch is exactly what i do not want for the bass lacking AKG K70x
 

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