I'm lost, and really need you help

[Sherwood]

If you're in the market, the skullcandy is actually preferable to the Dre to my ears for two reasons:

1) It's significantly less expensive
2) It doesn't eventually develop the terrible buzz that every Beats headphone I've ever heard eventually has.

I didn't personally enjoy them, true, but I've given up on bass. You clearly have not, and are willing to sacrifice other good qualities for bass pressure. Good for you. Try the skullcandy.

 

[Graphicism]

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Originally Posted by frenshprince /img/forum/go_quote.gif Exactly And it's what I like. I've always been interesting in the Ultrasone's, but I'm scared to find them uncomfortable. Anyway, I'll give a try. Thanks.

Are you saying you like the mid bass or are looking for something deeper? Anyway the one downside to the ultrasones is that they're uncomfortable, or can be... the ear cushions are hard and clamp quite tightly and the headband digs into your head. If you want comfort and bass I'd suggest Sony XB500 with a bright amp and a little EQ these are the most wonderful headphones I've ever heard for layered sound that goes deep, real deep, 4Hz deep!

 

[frenshprince]

As Graphicism said, I'm not sure I'm really talking about bass like boom boom.

But more for exemple, if in a movie some people are talking in a train, beside their voices I like to hear the low noise of the train's motor.

You're probably thinking I'm weird

, but I really like this kind of sound. (like the sound of the wind)

And thanks again. It's really nice to get some help from people who are trying to understand me

 

[Graphicism]

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Originally Posted by frenshprince /img/forum/go_quote.gif As Graphicism said, I'm not sure I'm really talking about bass like boom boom. But more for exemple, if in a movie some people are talking in a train, beside their voices I like to hear the low noise of the train's motor. You're probably thinking I'm weird , but I really like this kind of sound. (like the sound of the wind) And thanks again. It's really nice to get some help from people who are trying to understand me

I don't think you're weird at all, that's exactly how I am... I can't understand the replies from people when they say they want bass you get smutty replies like Bose, Beats and Skullcandy when all you want to hear is the full spectrum of music; those that don't venture don't learn.

In order to get that deep low rumbling sound of the train, the deep resonating sound you hear emitting from the walls of the cinema while queuing for popcorn you ideally want something that drops as low as 5Hz. Your options are (and I'm sure there are others):

• Sony MDR-XB700 - 3Hz
• Sony MDR-XB500 - 4Hz
• Sony MDR-XB300 - 5Hz
• Shure SRH840 - 5 Hz
• Denon AH-D2000 - 5Hz
• Beyerdynamic DT770 - 5Hz
• Beyerdynamic DT880 - 5Hz
• Beyerdynamic DT990 - 5Hz

Ultrasones are rated at 10Hz however it sounds a lot deeper because of the driver placement using your entire ear, not just the ear canal. Out of those above I'd recommend the XB500, the Denons are a little too mono-tone bass for my liking and while I haven't heard the Shures people don't seem to comment on there 'incredible bass'. The DT770 is the deepest of the Beyers and this I think is because it's a closed headphone, the Sony XB range are semi-open so you get a much fuller sound, not boomy at all when setup right.

 

[Sherwood]

Graphicism, every transducer can reproduce 5hz, but not at the same volume they can reproduce, say 175hz. Good FR charts quote you a +/- figure for the frequency, lousy ones just post a range. Odds are good you're reading the lousy charts.

And I'm making you a legit recommendation. Your favorite headphones had boosted bass response. You've tried some other excellent, high fidelity headphones and not enjoyed them -- ergo, you don't want natural reproduction, you want altered reproduction. There's nothing wrong with that -- you're free to want whatever you want. Most high end companies strive for accuracy, however, and not obvious coloration. Skullcandy, on the other hand, makes a headphone that sounds like what you want. Wear it with pride.

 

[frenshprince]

Thanks for this exhaustive answer.

Ok so,

The XB700
I already have it. And I really don't like its sound

It's the most comfortable I've tried, and the bass seems great, but the rest of the spectre is awful.
The voices are nasal, and without any softess.
I haven't burn it so maybe it's the cause.

The DT770pro80
It's the one I prefer (after the philips)
The sound is homogeneous, but to get back to the exemple about the train's motor, the humming seems to come from far rather than be around.

About the shure, I'll receive it tomorrow.

The thing I'm holding in your previous answer is the philips is only 40hz.
But yet, it does reproduct perfectly the kind of throbbing sound I like.

 

[barleyguy]

My daughter likes boomy bass as well, and she's currently using iGrados. They are the boomiest of the Grados (stock), and surely a lot better build quality than Skull Candy. The SR60i is the same driver as the iGrados, but less bassy stock pads, though many people find the SR60i's more comfortable.

 

[frenshprince]

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Originally Posted by Sherwood /img/forum/go_quote.gif And I'm making you a legit recommendation. Your favorite headphones had boosted bass response. You've tried some other excellent, high fidelity headphones and not enjoyed them -- ergo, you don't want natural reproduction, you want altered reproduction. There's nothing wrong with that -- you're free to want whatever you want. Most high end companies strive for accuracy, however, and not obvious coloration. Skullcandy, on the other hand, makes a headphone that sounds like what you want. Wear it with pride.

You absolutely know how to choose your words

But as I said, The philips HP1000 was a good headphone.
Actually, he has a good reputation in this forum.

So even if I alter the sound in some way (I totaly agree with that), because of the quality of the HP1000, the results is not bad at all.
I'm not sure it would be the same with a skullcandy

 

[Cankin]

Have you considered a tone control device like EQ?

 

[barleyguy]

Another thought. To get really low, rumbly bass, you might want bone conduction, which you will get best from custom IEM's. A dual woofer custom like the JH11 or UE10 might be nice. The problem of course is that you can't return them or sell them if that's not the solution.

 

[frenshprince]

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Originally Posted by Cankin /img/forum/go_quote.gif Have you considered a tone control device like EQ?

Not so far.
But I start thinking that might be the only way to get what I want

 

[frenshprince]

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Originally Posted by barleyguy /img/forum/go_quote.gif Another thought. To get really low, rumbly bass, you might want bone conduction, which you will get best from custom IEM's. A dual woofer custom like the JH11 or UE10 might be nice. The problem of course is that you can't return them or sell them if that's not the solution.

I would love to try the JH13 and buy them if they're good.
But without the possibility of testing, no way.

 

[Graphicism]

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Originally Posted by Sherwood /img/forum/go_quote.gif Graphicism, every transducer can reproduce 5hz, but not at the same volume they can reproduce, say 175hz. Good FR charts quote you a +/- figure for the frequency, lousy ones just post a range. Odds are good you're reading the lousy charts. And I'm making you a legit recommendation. Your favorite headphones had boosted bass response. You've tried some other excellent, high fidelity headphones and not enjoyed them -- ergo, you don't want natural reproduction, you want altered reproduction. There's nothing wrong with that -- you're free to want whatever you want. Most high end companies strive for accuracy, however, and not obvious coloration. Skullcandy, on the other hand, makes a headphone that sounds like what you want. Wear it with pride.

No suggesting skullcandy is downright rude, most if not all of us have heard them and the so-called 'bass' they produce, know how much they suck and only recommend them as a joke. The bass of skullcandy or the beats cannot be compared to that of Ultrasone or the Sony XB, it's simply in another league. What is just a monotone bump bump on one headphone is a layered deep cavern of low frequencies like that of a Velodyne sub or heard at the movies.

You are not making a legit recommendation; you said yourself that you've given up on bass reproductive headphones and if coming from skullcandy I can understand why, however I don't think you should be categorizing every headphone with an extended low frequency in this same category. Are you telling me my wanting to hear 4Hz is unnatural and something like 40 kHz from that of the K701 is natural reproduction? We hear low frequencies everyday just from being out and about, it also exists in music so wanting a headphone that simply extends this low and reveals a deep textured bass response shouldn't be categorized as coloration or boosted bass.

 

[Graphicism]

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Originally Posted by frenshprince /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thanks for this exhaustive answer. Ok so, The XB700 I already have it. And I really don't like its sound It's the most comfortable I've tried, and the bass seems great, but the rest of the spectre is awful. The voices are nasal, and without any softess. I haven't burn it so maybe it's the cause.

I found the XB700 to be a tad muddy even with a bright amp, I think it's something to do with the driver size... I'd say this headphone is good for hip-hop and the likes. The XB500 on a bright amp is much better, the bass isn't overpowering and is instead layered with the music, meaning it plays alongside and doesn't discolor or run over the rest of the sound. I have mine at about 200 hours of burn-in, along with a couple mods inside the speaker driver it's really starting to shine.

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Originally Posted by frenshprince /img/forum/go_quote.gif The thing I'm holding in your previous answer is the philips is only 40hz. But yet, it does reproduct perfectly the kind of throbbing sound I like.

Perhaps the batteries in the headphone are acting as an amp which your other headphones may be missing. What is your source for your non-wireless headphones?

 

[sonance]

Sounds like what you need is not just headphones but an amplifier, and one with tone controls. Alternatively, using a high quality equalizer such as on your PC in conjunction with an upsampler (e.g. foobar2k). Believe me, with the right amp and tone controls (whether amp based or source based) you could produce as much bass as you can handle with many of the headphones you mentioned in your original post.

BTW all those specs are completely meaningless, other than maybe impedance and sensitivity to understand how well they will work un-amped.