iFi Audio Pro iDSD discussion thread
Sep 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Post #2,281 of 3,458
Four Burr-Brown d/a converters per Pro iDSD are stacked in our interleaved configuration, which in effect results in bypassed datasheet limitations of these chips. Linux won't do DSD1024 AFAIK.

We're into hardware capable of DSD1024 to make it future proof! Software is not our thing :L3000:

Hmm.. it doesn't work with the Windows version of HQPlayer either. It refuses to play them. And the same as in Linux: DSD512 is maximum. I would like to know how did you play these DSD1024 files from nativeDSD with the Pro iDSD. Which OS and which player? Did you test/play them at all, natively? :smile_phones:
 
Sep 18, 2019 at 3:02 PM Post #2,282 of 3,458
Hmm.. it doesn't work with the Windows version of HQPlayer either. It refuses to play them. And the same as in Linux: DSD512 is maximum. I would like to know how did you play these DSD1024 files from nativeDSD with the Pro iDSD. Which OS and which player? Did you test/play them at all, natively? :smile_phones:

We need to double-check some tech stuff with our tech team. Stay tuned!
 
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Sep 19, 2019 at 5:18 AM Post #2,283 of 3,458
Hi guys, anyone tried iFi's new Powerstation with the their Pro gear yet? Or with anything else? Just wondering as I can't find much on it yet.
Listening to My ZMF Eikons over the Pro iDSD plugged into the Powerstation right now. The background is dead-silent, and I've never heard Ben Harper's "Burn to Shine" album shine so well. Playing via the 'Transient Aligned' filter + Tube mode. Very nice stuff.
 
Sep 19, 2019 at 5:16 PM Post #2,284 of 3,458
Hmm.. it doesn't work with the Windows version of HQPlayer either. It refuses to play them. And the same as in Linux: DSD512 is maximum. I would like to know how did you play these DSD1024 files from nativeDSD with the Pro iDSD. Which OS and which player? Did you test/play them at all, natively? :smile_phones:

OK, here's how it goes:

USB audio as currently defined is limited at a maximum of 768kHz/32Bit/2-Ch or DSD at an equivalent data rate (DSD512/2-CH).

Recording systems for DSD at this point max out at DSD256 (Merging Pyramix).

DSD512 is mainly used for software up-sampled PCM by some enthusiasts.

If set to no upsampling & Bitperfect(+), our iDSD Pro applies no digital processing and works for PCM as "bitperfect/non-oversampling/zero-oversampling/NOS/etc" DAC up to 768kHz/32Bit and for DSD as direct conversion system (no digital processing) up to DSD512.

As some customers desire upsampling to high sample rates and the sound of certain digital filters (e.g. the 16k very long symmetrical FIR "Transient Aligned" filter) we provide a FPGA based flexible upsampling engine, which can handle both DSD and PCM input to either 16X PCM or DSD512/1024 and DSD up to DSD256 to DSD512/1024.

DSD512 is always left untouched (namely native) as it is already upsampled and multiple upsampling processes in series are not recommended.

In effect the iDSD Pro can function across the whole gamut of DAC technologies, from non-oversampled PCM and direct DSD conversion to highly oversampled PCM or DS(D) systems with multiple digital filters.

It leaves the choice of what sounds best to the customer, instead of imposing some perceived ideal (whatever that Ideal may be) without alternative choices. This parallels the choice between solid state, tube & tube+ operation for the Analogue stages.

TL;DR: Pro iDSD does native DSD playback up to DSD512 (internally upsampled by this machine to DSD1024), as there are no native recordings above DSD256 and USB as is doesn't go above DSD512.
 
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Sep 21, 2019 at 9:56 PM Post #2,285 of 3,458
OK, here's how it goes:

USB audio as currently defined is limited at a maximum of 768kHz/32Bit/2-Ch or DSD at an equivalent data rate (DSD512/2-CH).

Recording systems for DSD at this point max out at DSD256 (Merging Pyramix).

DSD512 is mainly used for software up-sampled PCM by some enthusiasts.

If set to no upsampling & Bitperfect(+), our iDSD Pro applies no digital processing and works for PCM as "bitperfect/non-oversampling/zero-oversampling/NOS/etc" DAC up to 768kHz/32Bit and for DSD as direct conversion system (no digital processing) up to DSD512.

As some customers desire upsampling to high sample rates and the sound of certain digital filters (e.g. the 16k very long symmetrical FIR "Transient Aligned" filter) we provide a FPGA based flexible upsampling engine, which can handle both DSD and PCM input to either 16X PCM or DSD512/1024 and DSD up to DSD256 to DSD512/1024.

DSD512 is always left untouched (namely native) as it is already upsampled and multiple upsampling processes in series are not recommended.

In effect the iDSD Pro can function across the whole gamut of DAC technologies, from non-oversampled PCM and direct DSD conversion to highly oversampled PCM or DS(D) systems with multiple digital filters.

It leaves the choice of what sounds best to the customer, instead of imposing some perceived ideal (whatever that Ideal may be) without alternative choices. This parallels the choice between solid state, tube & tube+ operation for the Analogue stages.

TL;DR: Pro iDSD does native DSD playback up to DSD512 (internally upsampled by this machine to DSD1024), as there are no native recordings above DSD256 and USB as is doesn't go above DSD512.
How does the FPGA upsample say DSD64 to DSD1024? Is it a one step process? Not sure about your reason for not allowing upsampling of DSD512 to DSD1024. While recording max out at DSD256, you can get HD tracks from some vendors at higher or you can upsample offline using software such as HQplayer Pro. It will be nice to let user have the choice of upsample 512 to 1024 or not.
 
Sep 22, 2019 at 12:38 AM Post #2,286 of 3,458
OK, we mixed a thing or two. We'll get back to this subject shortly.

Ok, can you be very concrete about this? Will the iFi Pro iDSD play these DSD 1024 files natively or even upsampled? If yes, what are the settings on the iFi Pro iDSD that will allow one to play these files? Will the screen read 1024? Which computer programs will play these files natively or upsampled? I use the latest version of Audirvana for Mac, and it quits every time I play these files. Help us out, please, because I still haven’t heard any of these files yet. Thanks for your help in advance.
 
Sep 22, 2019 at 3:29 AM Post #2,287 of 3,458
Ok, can you be very concrete about this? Will the iFi Pro iDSD play these DSD 1024 files natively or even upsampled? If yes, what are the settings on the iFi Pro iDSD that will allow one to play these files? Will the screen read 1024? Which computer programs will play these files natively or upsampled? I use the latest version of Audirvana for Mac, and it quits every time I play these files. Help us out, please, because I still haven’t heard any of these files yet. Thanks for your help in advance.
I think I can answer that. For upsample to 1024, your source file can be anything except dsd512 or dsd1024. There is a button at the front second from the left where you can push a few times to show upsample to 512 or 1024. When playing 1024, the screen will display 45mhz or 49mhz.e
 
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Sep 22, 2019 at 5:32 AM Post #2,288 of 3,458
Ok, can you be very concrete about this? Will the iFi Pro iDSD play these DSD 1024 files natively or even upsampled? If yes, what are the settings on the iFi Pro iDSD that will allow one to play these files? Will the screen read 1024? Which computer programs will play these files natively or upsampled? I use the latest version of Audirvana for Mac, and it quits every time I play these files. Help us out, please, because I still haven’t heard any of these files yet. Thanks for your help in advance.

You will need a Holo Spring II or Denafrips Terminator II or Denafrips Ares II to play these DSD 1024 files, natively. HQPlayer supports native playback and upsampling to DSD 1024.
 
Oct 1, 2019 at 7:19 AM Post #2,290 of 3,458
Listening to My ZMF Eikons over the Pro iDSD plugged into the Powerstation right now. The background is dead-silent, and I've never heard Ben Harper's "Burn to Shine" album shine so well. Playing via the 'Transient Aligned' filter + Tube mode. Very nice stuff.

Hey there - thanks for answering my question. I really need to up my audio game, so far I'm intoIFI stuff - nano BL, thinking about an xDSD. I've seen and read loads about the Pro range though and was looking at the new their PowerStation on another forum I've just joined, hence my question. Do you have other iFi gear? What would you recommend?
 
Oct 3, 2019 at 6:37 PM Post #2,292 of 3,458
When I use USB > spidif converter Pro IDSD clock sync mode should be set to "standalone", right?
 

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