[Sweet Spot]

Why is it that my Rega P2 has some rather shoddy looking RCA cables/jacks attached to it, rather than just have standard I/O jacks that one can attach their onw IC's to ? My Rega hasn't been used. Sat in its box for the past year waiting for me to buy a new receiver and such. So as I was about to order a set of IC's from Blue Jeans for it, I rememberd seeing that it had a pair of RCA cables attached already.

Looking at them, they seem like extremely low budget Rat Shack type connector cables, and it got me thinking about how so many people claim that in order to get x or y sound signature, the right interconnect must be applied etc.. But in this case, I have no choice, and if a lot of the sound's presentation is going to be hindered by some crap cable that was supplied by the company of a supposedly very good TT, then what's the point ?

I guess I'm more towards believing that a lot of the IC speak is a lot of hype. I have another theory as well, but would rather not say because it would just allow for the justification of the hype. So if someone nails it on the head, I'll say it's what I was thinking and will also assume that there may be truth in the theory as well.

Thoughts ?

 

[BlindTiger]

I hear ya,
In my Monitor Audio speakers it looks like they used plain old clear jacketed zip cord inside. In my Soliloquy speakers they used heavier gauge Cardas cable.
My first major Hi Fi purchase was a pr of Linn Index speakers, the store didn't
push any exotic pricey speaker cable on me. They just asked me how many feet
I needed. I said 25 feet each side. the cables they gave me were regular 18 gauge Apature branded cable with bananas soldered on.
only when I upgraded my CD player did a different store push their Monster cables.
Enjoy your P2.

 

[Sweet Spot]

Ha ha, I guess ? Yeah, my concern was also directed to the fact that I may need to extend the length of those RCA's with some adapter and a spare pair of cables I have sitting around because of a space issue. I'd really like to just buy a new A/V rack, but I can't see spending any more on this stuff right now. I might look into what Ikea has to offer though. Hate to say it but I feel like I don't want to hang my P2 on the Rega wall mount I just bought for it, until it's at the most desired height. Having just moved into this apartment, I want to keep the holes in the wall at a bare minimum.

 

[meat01]

That is why you are supposed to re-cable your tonearm

http://www.hi-fi.com/diy/rega/steps.html

 

[chesebert]

1. cheap cable doesn't mean it sounds bad; better cable reveals more audio cues for your brain to construct that holographic image.

2. Linn has this weird philosophy that all their components should be connected with crappy wires. (They do sound better with better wires....shocking!!)

 

[nick20]

All I can say is try.


99% of cable vendors/dealers offer a 30/60/90 day money-back guarantee.. I would use this to your advantage, and give them a try. If all else fails, you're out $5 for shipping. Can't hurt to try, now does it?






-Nick

 

[Sweet Spot]

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Originally Posted by meat01 /img/forum/go_quote.gif That is why you are supposed to re-cable your tonearm http://www.hi-fi.com/diy/rega/steps.html

You seriously ARE evil !!! Thanks, perhaps I'll try that when I have : spare money, spare time and a spare life ! I think I'll just try and listen to what I have for now though...
Quote:

Originally Posted by nick20 /img/forum/go_quote.gif All I can say is try. 99% of cable vendors/dealers offer a 30/60/90 day money-back guarantee.. I would use this to your advantage, and give them a try. If all else fails, you're out $5 for shipping. Can't hurt to try, now does it? -Nick

Ok, 1. You KNOW it can (hurt), and usually does no matter what. Tell me you're ever truly satisfied with anything to the point of where you'd never want to mod or upgrade again... Exactly. Lies, aaaaaaaaall lies ! And

2: What exactly am I supposed to be trying now ? I was strictly referring to the rca cables stemming from my turntable. I just thought it would be more audiophile like of them to omit those built in cables and just have rca ports so that custom IC's could be used. That would seem wholly logical for such a decent piece of kit, no ?

Anyway, I have a bigger dilemma now, and I'm off to go and contemplate the implications that it brings to the table (wow, a pun. go me.)

 

[jsaliga]

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick20 /img/forum/go_quote.gif 99% of cable vendors/dealers offer a 30/60/90 day money-back guarantee..

Really? They offer this guarantee in writing? People keep telling me this and yet most of the high end cable makers I check out have no stated customer satisfaction policy or offer a risk-free in home trial...and that includes companies such as: Nordost, Pear Cable, Cardass Audio, and Audioquest.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but everything I have seen so far suggests that few high-end cable makers back their products with money-back customer satisfaction policies.

--Jerome

 

[chesebert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsaliga /img/forum/go_quote.gif Really? They offer this guarantee in writing? People keep telling me this and yet most of the high end cable makers I check out have no stated customer satisfaction policy or offer a risk-free in home trial...and that includes companies such as: Nordost, Pear Cable, Cardass Audio, and Audioquest. Please correct me if I am wrong, but everything I have seen so far suggests that few high-end cable makers back their products with money-back customer satisfaction policies. --Jerome

go to their dealer and ask for an in-home trial. Most will let you take the cable home for a week or 2.

 

[nick20]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsaliga /img/forum/go_quote.gif Really? They offer this guarantee in writing? People keep telling me this and yet most of the high end cable makers I check out have no stated customer satisfaction policy or offer a risk-free in home trial...and that includes companies such as: Nordost, Pear Cable, Cardass Audio, and Audioquest. Please correct me if I am wrong, but everything I have seen so far suggests that few high-end cable makers back their products with money-back customer satisfaction policies. --Jerome

Sure. Where have you searched for these cables? I just returned some AQ cables after having them for 20 days. Cost me $3.40 to ship it back.

TTVJ has a 30-day MBG, and sells Nordorst.



Let me ask you this, where HAVE you looked? I have yet find a company that doesn't include some sort of MBG.





Here's from TTVJ:

"We fully believe in the gear we sell and offer a 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE to insure your satisfaction."

http://www.ttvj.com/index.php?cPath=...x&filter_id=60

http://www.ttvj.com/index.php?cPath=...ex&filter_id=4



Etc. Etc.

 

[fishski13]

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawnGnome /img/forum/go_quote.gif That's a guide. It poses no reasons to actually do it. Hmmmm...... But if recabling all this products makes such a huge difference, Why don't the creators use them? Sure, people are now going to say "OMGORZ IT WILL COST THEM MOREZ!" But if it really improved the sound so much, it would easily bump the product up in price class. So they could actually have more profit.

the table is built to a price point, not SOTA. bumping up the price would result in a loss of sales for people who do not wish to spend the extra cash for a more expensive item.

PACE

 

[jsaliga]

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick20 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Let me ask you this, where HAVE you looked? I have yet find a company that doesn't include some sort of MBG.

You mean you have yet to find a dealer who doesn't offer a MBG.

I'm more interested in vendors that stand behind the products they manufacture with written policies. And I challenge you to find one on any of the manufacturer sites below:

http://www.audioquest.com/

http://www.nordost.com/

http://www.pearcable.com/

http://www.cardas.com/

--Jerome

 

[nick20]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsaliga /img/forum/go_quote.gif You mean you have yet to find a dealer who doesn't offer a MBG. I'm more interested in vendors that stand behind the products they manufacture with written policies. And I challenge you to find one on any of the manufacturer sites below: http://www.audioquest.com/ http://www.nordost.com/ http://www.pearcable.com/ http://www.cardas.com/ --Jerome

Maybe I am not understanding what you are looking/asking for.


I bought a pair of Audioquest interconnects a month ago, and they included a 30-day MBG from AudioAdvisor. I decided to return the Audioquest interconnects, and get another one.

It cost me the price of the cable, they shipped to my home, I gave them a try, and found them not worth it. So, I requested a return authorization number, and sent my package back to them. Four days later, I was refunded my money.



To me, this constitutes as a "in home trial", as they refunded my money, no questions asked.

 

[Sovkiller]

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick20 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sure. Where have you searched for these cables? I just returned some AQ cables after having them for 20 days. Cost me $3.40 to ship it back. TTVJ has a 30-day MBG, and sells Nordorst. Let me ask you this, where HAVE you looked? I have yet find a company that doesn't include some sort of MBG. Here's from TTVJ: "We fully believe in the gear we sell and offer a 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE to insure your satisfaction." http://www.ttvj.com/index.php?cPath=...x&filter_id=60 http://www.ttvj.com/index.php?cPath=...ex&filter_id=4 Etc. Etc.

The dealer may offer the satisfaction warranty, but there is no place on some of those manufacturers websites, that offers such a deal...and some of them sells directly...

Some of them offer a restocking fee, in the case of Pear for example 10%, how much is a 10% of $1,200.00? $120.00 so that means that we have to pay $120.00 just to try their products...thanks!!!!

 

[nick20]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif The dealer may offer the satisfaction warranty, but there is no place on some of those manufacturers websites, that offers such a deal...and some of them sells directly... Some of them offer a restocking fee, in the case of Pear for example 10%, how much is a 10% of $1,200.00? $120.00 so that means that we have to pay $120.00 just to try their products...thanks!!!!

So then purchase them for a vendor, like I did.


I think paying $120 for a product you don't want is better than selling it used, and loosing even more money.


I will continue to support those vendors/re-sellers who offer a MGB and no-stocking fee's. Then, I have a chance to try it in my home for nothing.