Ibasso 1 bit Discrete portable DAC with Resistors Array D16

May 17, 2025 at 3:04 AM Post #1,651 of 1,675
Question regarding how the D16 works: does the source make a difference in sound if connecting via SPIF? For example, since the signal is being processed by the D16, would the dx180->D16 provide the same sound as dx340->D16?

From Twister6:
Using DX180 coax out, the D16 also had a bit sharper and more revealing tonality in comparison to a smoother, more laidback, more analog tonality when using DX340 as a transport while driving the D16 from its coax output.
 
May 17, 2025 at 3:18 AM Post #1,652 of 1,675
From Twister6:
Using DX180 coax out, the D16 also had a bit sharper and more revealing tonality in comparison to a smoother, more laidback, more analog tonality when using DX340 as a transport while driving the D16 from its coax output.
Thanks, I missed that in his review.

So, as I'm trying to understand how this works, can anyone explain why one source would be different if the signal goes through the D16 afterwards? I had always thought that line out (and even the role of the DAC in general) just sends the 1s and 0s and that this doesn't have any impact on the sound itself and that the sound signature is determined by the amp.

Any thoughts?
 
May 17, 2025 at 9:50 AM Post #1,653 of 1,675
Thanks, I missed that in his review.

So, as I'm trying to understand how this works, can anyone explain why one source would be different if the signal goes through the D16 afterwards? I had always thought that line out (and even the role of the DAC in general) just sends the 1s and 0s and that this doesn't have any impact on the sound itself and that the sound signature is determined by the amp.

Any thoughts?
This info I acquired from Chat GPT may shed some light on your question. Yes, the sound data packets streamed from any DAP to the D16 via spdif should be constant, but there’s something else that gets transmitted and then utilized by the D16 that can change the analog sound output by the D16….and that is the clock signal from the source. Here’s a little more detail on this:

Yes, when attaching an audio source to a DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter) via a coaxial (coax) cable, a clock signal is utilized, though it's embedded within the audio data stream itself and needs to be recovered by the DAC
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Here's a breakdown:
  • S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface): Coaxial connections for digital audio use the S/PDIF protocol, which transmits the audio data and timing information (clock signal) together in a single data stream.
  • Clock Recovery: The DAC, upon receiving the S/PDIF signal, employs a process called clock recovery to extract the timing information from the data stream. This extracted clock signal is crucial for the DAC to accurately convert the digital audio data into an analog signal.
  • Embedded Clock: Unlike some other digital interfaces (like I2S) where clock and data are transmitted on separate lines, the clock in S/PDIF is embedded within the data itself.
  • Importance of a Stable Clock: The accuracy and stability of the recovered clock signal have a significant impact on the quality of the final analog audio output. Jitter (timing errors) in the clock signal can lead to audible distortions, making a good clock recovery mechanism essential in a DAC.
In essence, while a separate, dedicated clock cable isn't used with coaxial connections, the clock signal is essential and is cleverly embedded within the S/PDIF data stream, requiring the DAC to recover it for proper digital-to-analog conversion.
 
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May 17, 2025 at 8:42 PM Post #1,654 of 1,675
Thanks, I missed that in his review.

So, as I'm trying to understand how this works, can anyone explain why one source would be different if the signal goes through the D16 afterwards? I had always thought that line out (and even the role of the DAC in general) just sends the 1s and 0s and that this doesn't have any impact on the sound itself and that the sound signature is determined by the amp.

Any thoughts?
Yeah, in theory it should work this way. But if you spend enough time with enough various setups, you may begin to hear that everything in the signal chain has an effect on the sound (streaming source, cables, DAC, amp, transducers, etc.). Some people are less sensitive to these differences, just like some people are less sensitive to other external stimuli such as taste, touch, and smell. Doesn't make them inferior audiophiles, just means that they can save some money with less expensive equipment most of the time LOL. But this is a hobby where the listener's experience doesn't always boil down to measurements and theoretical behavior.
 
May 18, 2025 at 1:45 AM Post #1,655 of 1,675
This info I acquired from Chat GPT may shed some light on your question. Yes, the sound data packets streamed from any DAP to the D16 via spdif should be constant, but there’s something else that gets transmitted and then utilized by the D16 that can change the analog sound output by the D16….and that is the clock signal from the source. Here’s a little more detail on this:

Yes, when attaching an audio source to a DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter) via a coaxial (coax) cable, a clock signal is utilized, though it's embedded within the audio data stream itself and needs to be recovered by the DAC
.
Here's a breakdown:
  • S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface): Coaxial connections for digital audio use the S/PDIF protocol, which transmits the audio data and timing information (clock signal) together in a single data stream.
  • Clock Recovery: The DAC, upon receiving the S/PDIF signal, employs a process called clock recovery to extract the timing information from the data stream. This extracted clock signal is crucial for the DAC to accurately convert the digital audio data into an analog signal.
  • Embedded Clock: Unlike some other digital interfaces (like I2S) where clock and data are transmitted on separate lines, the clock in S/PDIF is embedded within the data itself.
  • Importance of a Stable Clock: The accuracy and stability of the recovered clock signal have a significant impact on the quality of the final analog audio output. Jitter (timing errors) in the clock signal can lead to audible distortions, making a good clock recovery mechanism essential in a DAC.
In essence, while a separate, dedicated clock cable isn't used with coaxial connections, the clock signal is essential and is cleverly embedded within the S/PDIF data stream, requiring the DAC to recover it for proper digital-to-analog conversion.
Thanks, I always forget that Chat GPT can give a little more insight than a basic Google search.

Yeah, in theory it should work this way. But if you spend enough time with enough various setups, you may begin to hear that everything in the signal chain has an effect on the sound (streaming source, cables, DAC, amp, transducers, etc.). Some people are less sensitive to these differences, just like some people are less sensitive to other external stimuli such as taste, touch, and smell. Doesn't make them inferior audiophiles, just means that they can save some money with less expensive equipment most of the time LOL. But this is a hobby where the listener's experience doesn't always boil down to measurements and theoretical behavior.

I totally agree and thanks for the perspective. I guess one of the hardest tasks in this hobby is to trust our own senses and ignore the voice in our heads that wonders if that more expensive product might just give a little more detail that the wonderful sound we are already listening to.
 
May 23, 2025 at 7:38 PM Post #1,656 of 1,675
It has been a while, I have been enjoying this D16 ways too much! I know the D17 is next in the line. But don’t mistake it for being D16 successor, it isn’t, it will follow a different implementation together with a different topology.

Here, I have just found another awesome way to attach my D16 to my S24 ultra. Using MagSafe stripe and lock. I can easily slap it on or tweak it off. It is great to drive my hd800S or buds when watching movies, streaming in a pinch

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May 23, 2025 at 9:37 PM Post #1,659 of 1,675
For the past two evenings, I grabbed my D16 and connected it to my MacBook Air via usb. The MacBook immediately recognized the D16 attached, and I had a long list of sample rates to choose from the output settings in the Audio MIDI interface. The sample rate settings were from 44.1kHz to 768kHz, and each incremental sample rate between those two extremes offered either 16, 24, or 32 bit resolution. I just selected 768kHz, 32-bit floating point resampling, and started streaming music. It was the 1st time I’ve ever seen my D16 display its max capable sampling rate…the analog output sounded fantastic from my IEM’s (Thieaudio Valhalla and DUNU Glacier). I was using High gain for both DAC and Amp. Last night I put the D16 in LO mode and connected its 4.4 output to my EA4 amp, and that sent the sonics/fidelity to levels that are very comparable to my full desktop/home hp system. I don’t feel I’m missing out on anything fidelity-wise when I’m using any of my IEM’s with this setup. The D16’s DAC, along with the DC-Elite’s also, are still so good, even after listening for a month exclusively with my two high end DAC’s (Gustard X30 and Denafrips Venus 15th).
 
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May 26, 2025 at 2:54 AM Post #1,660 of 1,675
Has anyone noticed any wierdness with their D16 connected to a Mac since MacOS Sequoia 15.5 upgrade? My D16 is now recognised only as generic USB device in both Roon and the MacOS Audio MIDI Setup tool. Worse, it now only works intermittently. Anyone else having this issue? Same on my Mac Studio Ultra and M2 MacBook Air. The D16 is fine connected to my SP3000
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:20 PM Post #1,661 of 1,675
Has anyone noticed any wierdness with their D16 connected to a Mac since MacOS Sequoia 15.5 upgrade?
I’ve been using my D16 connected to my new M4 MacBook Air all week. The USB connection/handshake has run flawlessly so far. The only time I thought I had an issue ended up being user error (I connected my usb c cable to the charge port instead of the DAC port on my D16).

Within a second or two after connecting my usb cable, the Audio MIDI setup shows a Primary Play Interface (0 inputs, 2 outputs), which I know is the D16. I then have access to a full range of resampling digital formats (from 44.1kHz to 768kHz).
 

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May 26, 2025 at 4:15 PM Post #1,662 of 1,675
Thanks. Might have been a glitch. Wonder why it shows up with a muted Left channel and a maxed out Right channel? Same on mine
 
May 26, 2025 at 4:46 PM Post #1,663 of 1,675
Thanks. Might have been a glitch. Wonder why it shows up with a muted Left channel and a maxed out Right channel? Same on mine
Yes, I noticed this too. Same thing happens when I attach my iBasso DC Elite dongle to my MacBook. It def has something to do with the usb handshake info the iBasso devices are communicating to a Mac….possibly with the lack of L/R balance functionality on the D16 and DC Elite…not 100% though.
 
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May 26, 2025 at 5:17 PM Post #1,664 of 1,675
I always stay at least two Mac OS versions behind. This just reinforces that practice for me.
 

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