Thanasis
New Head-Fier
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I just got my HD650 from Amazon.co.uk.
The cartoon box came. I just noticed the following:
- It was padded on top but not padded at the bottom. Any bad handling would damage the contents ....
- The product was dispatched by Amazon.de (Germany) and not Amazon.co.uk, the place where has been ordered from.
- Inside, the main Sennheiser box (silver color) was not sealed with nylon (like most of the products I got until now).
- I took out a very solid, posh wooden storage box containing the HD650 headphones with the 3.5mm to 6.35mm phones plug adaptor. Nothing was sealed with nylon...... Hopefully this is not an item that somebody returned.....
- On the box and on the Unit it writes "Made it Ireland", so it is not as German as it supposed to be.
Anyway. My first thing was........... to hear the thing!
First Use
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I fitted the headphones on my head. I didn't expect them to be so comfortable especially after reading the reviews complaining about the excessive pressure around the head. Personally I found them perfectly padded above head and around ears. It can be adjusted to fit large or small heads. The pressure is not too much and not too little. No need to tweak it or bend it, with the risk of breaking it.
Source and Amp
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My source and amp was an old Marantz CDR630, CD Player/Recorder. I think this is a High enough Fidelity unit.....
I inserted the plug into the Marantz Headphones Socket. Then I put the the new Kylie Minogue's Single CD - Timebomb in the player and hit "Play".
When I first listened to that particular music coming through the Headphones I got scared. All the ramble around the infamous "Veil" was hitting at me.....
Treble was thin and bass was covering everything. Generally the sound was impressive but definitely Not Flat. It looked like missing parts especially on the low end of the high frequencies. When I took off the headphones from my head, I asked my self if I was sure I didn't judge, biased with the "veil" ramble in mind........
Demystifying the infamous "Veil".
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I used another cheapo set of headphones (sennheiser PMX 80 Sport II) in an attempt to see why I was feeling there was a veil in the HD650.
With the "cheapo" headphones, in loud volumes I could feel "pain" from the lower upper range of frequencies (around 6khz) . These are exactly the frequencies the HD650 softens. And with the "cheapo" headphones there was not any pleasure coming from these frequencies. This made me realize that the recording was to blame for the accentuated edges. Not the headphones.
So I changed the CD into a Jazz Compilations CD known for its snares and cymbals, so it was more likely to get the pure sound I was dreaming for......
Now I got a very smooth bass, slightly accentuated middles and a treble that looked a bit tweaked. I think with this Jazz cd I could develop a more true and fair view for the HD650.
The treble extends very beautifully but sometimes you may feel it lacks some "Sparkle" like many reviewers write. In the positive side, you can really hear the "crispy" trail of the frequencies above the 15Khz (I don't think my ears can reach up to the 20khz range anyway, but for sure I can tell if the 15Khz range is low or high, and in this case it is high!!!!).
I then thought it was good idea to try the HD650 headphones with some equalization ON.
So I put the same CD on my Computer (which could provide me with some software equalizers) and I connected the Optical out with the Optical In of my Marantz CD Player / Recorder. Referenced at 44.1 khz CD quality.
To my surprise I found the HD650 really very Responsive to any equalizer changes. With the equalizer i attempted to close the gap which causes the "vail" to exist. I put "veil" in quotes because I am not sure if it really is a veil. You will see below why.
Well. Trying to cover up for the mysterious "veil" with the equalizer I found out that it disappears when I applied a bit of equalization around the 6Khz range. Only a bit.
How does the equalization affect the sound?
Turning a bit up the equalizer around the range of 6Khz will cause:
1. Cymbals to sound more bright (6kz = Lower range of Upper Cymbals Frequencies)
2. The Snare drum to sound more bright (6kz = Upper range of Middle Snare Frequencies)
3. The "Ssssss" in Human Vocals to sound more bright (6khz and around is the "Sssss" peaks in vocals)
Why am I not sure if the "Veil" is really a "Veil".
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I made an experiment to see which frequency range would cause me discomfort (or slight pain) in the ears when I turned the volume too high......
Again, to my surprise adding around the frequency of 6khz, lack of which many characterize as "the veil", was causing me the pain. So going back to the equalizer and setting everything FLAT, was actually the most gentle flat for my ears.
Conclusion.
It is strange to characterize some headphones as "veil" and not flat because they cut down on frequencies that cause the most discomfort in high volumes. How many times we hear the singer's /vocals' "SSSSsssss" hitting like a laser gun throughout our ears? The "veil" on the HD650 cuts down a bit on this "SSssss". I know People understand it or feel it differently. But I think we should have something in common in our experiences and this is why I wrote this post.
For sure HD650 can not be labeled as bright. But the treble is there. You can feel it loud around 15khz and probably even higher (younger people can hear well above these frequencies).
Sound Stage is good but other headphones may excel more in this area.
You can feel the sound coming from all around your head.
Very responsive to any frequency when you use equalizer.
Note: At first I thought that the Marantz integrated Headphones' amp would not be efficient. But after turning the Level knob middle way up, I realized that the Headphones were sufficiently fed.
Take care
Athanasis
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The cartoon box came. I just noticed the following:
- It was padded on top but not padded at the bottom. Any bad handling would damage the contents ....
- The product was dispatched by Amazon.de (Germany) and not Amazon.co.uk, the place where has been ordered from.
- Inside, the main Sennheiser box (silver color) was not sealed with nylon (like most of the products I got until now).
- I took out a very solid, posh wooden storage box containing the HD650 headphones with the 3.5mm to 6.35mm phones plug adaptor. Nothing was sealed with nylon...... Hopefully this is not an item that somebody returned.....
- On the box and on the Unit it writes "Made it Ireland", so it is not as German as it supposed to be.
Anyway. My first thing was........... to hear the thing!
First Use
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I fitted the headphones on my head. I didn't expect them to be so comfortable especially after reading the reviews complaining about the excessive pressure around the head. Personally I found them perfectly padded above head and around ears. It can be adjusted to fit large or small heads. The pressure is not too much and not too little. No need to tweak it or bend it, with the risk of breaking it.
Source and Amp
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My source and amp was an old Marantz CDR630, CD Player/Recorder. I think this is a High enough Fidelity unit.....
I inserted the plug into the Marantz Headphones Socket. Then I put the the new Kylie Minogue's Single CD - Timebomb in the player and hit "Play".
When I first listened to that particular music coming through the Headphones I got scared. All the ramble around the infamous "Veil" was hitting at me.....
Treble was thin and bass was covering everything. Generally the sound was impressive but definitely Not Flat. It looked like missing parts especially on the low end of the high frequencies. When I took off the headphones from my head, I asked my self if I was sure I didn't judge, biased with the "veil" ramble in mind........
Demystifying the infamous "Veil".
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I used another cheapo set of headphones (sennheiser PMX 80 Sport II) in an attempt to see why I was feeling there was a veil in the HD650.
With the "cheapo" headphones, in loud volumes I could feel "pain" from the lower upper range of frequencies (around 6khz) . These are exactly the frequencies the HD650 softens. And with the "cheapo" headphones there was not any pleasure coming from these frequencies. This made me realize that the recording was to blame for the accentuated edges. Not the headphones.
So I changed the CD into a Jazz Compilations CD known for its snares and cymbals, so it was more likely to get the pure sound I was dreaming for......
Now I got a very smooth bass, slightly accentuated middles and a treble that looked a bit tweaked. I think with this Jazz cd I could develop a more true and fair view for the HD650.
The treble extends very beautifully but sometimes you may feel it lacks some "Sparkle" like many reviewers write. In the positive side, you can really hear the "crispy" trail of the frequencies above the 15Khz (I don't think my ears can reach up to the 20khz range anyway, but for sure I can tell if the 15Khz range is low or high, and in this case it is high!!!!).
I then thought it was good idea to try the HD650 headphones with some equalization ON.
So I put the same CD on my Computer (which could provide me with some software equalizers) and I connected the Optical out with the Optical In of my Marantz CD Player / Recorder. Referenced at 44.1 khz CD quality.
To my surprise I found the HD650 really very Responsive to any equalizer changes. With the equalizer i attempted to close the gap which causes the "vail" to exist. I put "veil" in quotes because I am not sure if it really is a veil. You will see below why.
Well. Trying to cover up for the mysterious "veil" with the equalizer I found out that it disappears when I applied a bit of equalization around the 6Khz range. Only a bit.
How does the equalization affect the sound?
Turning a bit up the equalizer around the range of 6Khz will cause:
1. Cymbals to sound more bright (6kz = Lower range of Upper Cymbals Frequencies)
2. The Snare drum to sound more bright (6kz = Upper range of Middle Snare Frequencies)
3. The "Ssssss" in Human Vocals to sound more bright (6khz and around is the "Sssss" peaks in vocals)
Why am I not sure if the "Veil" is really a "Veil".
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I made an experiment to see which frequency range would cause me discomfort (or slight pain) in the ears when I turned the volume too high......
Again, to my surprise adding around the frequency of 6khz, lack of which many characterize as "the veil", was causing me the pain. So going back to the equalizer and setting everything FLAT, was actually the most gentle flat for my ears.
Conclusion.
It is strange to characterize some headphones as "veil" and not flat because they cut down on frequencies that cause the most discomfort in high volumes. How many times we hear the singer's /vocals' "SSSSsssss" hitting like a laser gun throughout our ears? The "veil" on the HD650 cuts down a bit on this "SSssss". I know People understand it or feel it differently. But I think we should have something in common in our experiences and this is why I wrote this post.
For sure HD650 can not be labeled as bright. But the treble is there. You can feel it loud around 15khz and probably even higher (younger people can hear well above these frequencies).
Sound Stage is good but other headphones may excel more in this area.
You can feel the sound coming from all around your head.
Very responsive to any frequency when you use equalizer.
Note: At first I thought that the Marantz integrated Headphones' amp would not be efficient. But after turning the Level knob middle way up, I realized that the Headphones were sufficiently fed.
Take care
Athanasis
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