I found a nest of baby squirrels in our front yard

Mar 24, 2007 at 2:33 PM Post #61 of 96
Also now I'm not so sure they're squirrels at all! Wikipedia says squirrels nest on trees, and I found these at the base of a tree. But there is a nest on top of the tree, so maybe they fell out? There are also a bunch of acorns scattered around the hole. I hope they're not rats...

Also all these rodents have tails. I haven't seen tails on these ones..

From google image search..

Baby squirrel:
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baby rat:

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Although to be fair, I'm not so sure the
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 3:55 PM Post #63 of 96
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy /img/forum/go_quote.gif
But I don't get it. Why are they pests?


Oh boy. Ever since I moved into this fraternity house I have grown to hate squirrels.

Don't get me wrong, I love normal, well-behaved squirrels. But they can learn bad, bad behaviors, and then they're pests. We have an infestation. Over the summer we found a squirrel nest in a closet in our basement, and once we opened the closet door the momma squirrel relocated her babies to someplace up the pipes, inside a wall. For as long as I've lived here they've been sneaking into the house somehow in the early morning, getting into the trash and the food in our kitchen. If you fall asleep in our 3rd floor lounge, you will often wake up to find a squirrel right next to your head. I have personally walked into that room to find someone passed out on a couch... with a squirrel perched one foot away from his head, staring hungrily at him.

And now that it's winter, the squirrels have actually moved into our attic storage space and our walls. You can hear them scritching and scattering around in the walls in the mornings, or when a room is very quiet. And they're getting really big, and much less scared of humans... and I'm tired of living with them.

These are wild animals, and as such, once they've learned a habitual behavior they cannot be changed. We've hired an exterminator to come sometime early this spring, to figure out how they're getting in and to make sure they're gone before they start a nest again.

We bought a live trap, but you can't relocate and release pest squirrels. If you take them less than 15 miles away, and you don't drive in a zig-zag line, they'll follow the road right back to your house. Plus, squirrels are territorial, so they can't just "move in" with other squirrel groups. They'll be chased away instead and will either starve to death or more likely end up infesting someone else's house. If getting into people's homes and living off humans is what they've learned, they won't change. So instead of foisting your problem onto some other poor homeowner, it's morally best to take care of them yourself if caught.

Honestly I think that although the carbon monoxide thing that Marados suggested is probably the most humane way, with an adult squirrel it would be very problematic and probably dangerous for the humans involved. I think that throwing them on a fire, like somebody suggested, is extremely inhumane. But if we catch some of the squirrels before the exterminator comes, I will have no qualms with filling up a large bucket with water and dropping the trap in. I've never killed anything besides insects before and would take no joy doing it, but I'm convinced that in this case, it's not only necessary but that it's the best solution morally and an acceptably humane way to do it.

In the case of the squirrels (or whatever they are) you found, Daggerlee, if you found a nest without any parents around they're probably not going to make it to healthy adulthood, sadly.
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 4:24 PM Post #64 of 96
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Originally Posted by daggerlee /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Took some out to play. They have no tails! Any idea waht they are?

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Did you touch them? If so, I think the mom will ignore them now and it becomes your responsibility to raise them. By the way, I have no idea what they are either. Haven't you seen the mom?

Had a squirrel run up my pants leg once to take a chip out of my hand. Was at a park. Scared the crap out of me at the time!
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 4:44 PM Post #65 of 96
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Originally Posted by Denim /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Did you touch them? If so, I think the mom will ignore them now and it becomes your responsibility to raise them.


No, that doesn't happen with squirrels; they don't get scared away from their young by the scent of humans.
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 5:10 PM Post #67 of 96
I believe those will turn into the same as this pic (my rabbit, who I saved from the mower)... From what I've seen around here, looks real similar and the same style nest. Check the hair in the nest, should be real soft... I believe them mom leaves them at birth, they survive on their own and grow pretty fast.

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Mar 24, 2007 at 5:11 PM Post #68 of 96
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Originally Posted by Cake /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Oh boy. Ever since I moved into this fraternity house I have grown to hate squirrels.

Don't get me wrong, I love normal, well-behaved squirrels. But they can learn bad, bad behaviors, and then they're pests. We have an infestation. Over the summer we found a squirrel nest in a closet in our basement, and once we opened the closet door the momma squirrel relocated her babies to someplace up the pipes, inside a wall. For as long as I've lived here they've been sneaking into the house somehow in the early morning, getting into the trash and the food in our kitchen. If you fall asleep in our 3rd floor lounge, you will often wake up to find a squirrel right next to your head. I have personally walked into that room to find someone passed out on a couch... with a squirrel perched one foot away from his head, staring hungrily at him.

And now that it's winter, the squirrels have actually moved into our attic storage space and our walls. You can hear them scritching and scattering around in the walls in the mornings, or when a room is very quiet. And they're getting really big, and much less scared of humans... and I'm tired of living with them.

These are wild animals, and as such, once they've learned a habitual behavior they cannot be changed. We've hired an exterminator to come sometime early this spring, to figure out how they're getting in and to make sure they're gone before they start a nest again.

We bought a live trap, but you can't relocate and release pest squirrels. If you take them less than 15 miles away, and you don't drive in a zig-zag line, they'll follow the road right back to your house. Plus, squirrels are territorial, so they can't just "move in" with other squirrel groups. They'll be chased away instead and will either starve to death or more likely end up infesting someone else's house. If getting into people's homes and living off humans is what they've learned, they won't change. So instead of foisting your problem onto some other poor homeowner, it's morally best to take care of them yourself if caught.

Honestly I think that although the carbon monoxide thing that Marados suggested is probably the most humane way, with an adult squirrel it would be very problematic and probably dangerous for the humans involved. I think that throwing them on a fire, like somebody suggested, is extremely inhumane. But if we catch some of the squirrels before the exterminator comes, I will have no qualms with filling up a large bucket with water and dropping the trap in. I've never killed anything besides insects before and would take no joy doing it, but I'm convinced that in this case, it's not only necessary but that it's the best solution morally and an acceptably humane way to do it.

In the case of the squirrels (or whatever they are) you found, Daggerlee, if you found a nest without any parents around they're probably not going to make it to healthy adulthood, sadly.



So drowning is more humane than burning?
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 5:51 PM Post #69 of 96
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Originally Posted by Pm@c /img/forum/go_quote.gif
So drowning is more humane than burning?


I would definitely say so, yes. The downside to drowning is that the animal would have a brief reflexive moment of panic, which wouldn't be there with a method like using a gas like carbon monoxide. But overall, drowning is just death by asphyxiation, which isn't a bad way to go, being relatively quick and painless. Burning, on the other hand, fills the gap between the time you're put on the fire and when you die with intense physical pain. As an execution method, it's always been noted for its torturous aspect and thus used for the "crimes" considered most severe--heresy, treason, witchcraft. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_burning)
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 8:26 PM Post #70 of 96
Is it unethical to own cats? They usually take care of the rats and mice around here. Personally, I'd never kill an animal that wasn't threatening me, but is it wrong to own another animal that does? Being caught by a cat probably isn't the most pleasant way to go, either.

Good thing I'm bigger than they are.
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 8:46 PM Post #71 of 96
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Is it unethical to own cats? They usually take care of the rats and mice around here. Personally, I'd never kill an animal that wasn't threatening me, but is it wrong to own another animal that does? Being caught by a cat probably isn't the most pleasant way to go, either.

Good thing I'm bigger than they are.



I think that a mouse or rat as a species would be more prepared to face off against something like a cat, just a step or so above them on the food chain, rather than being captured by a mouse-trap or burned or drowned execution style.
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 8:54 PM Post #72 of 96
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Is it unethical to own cats? They usually take care of the rats and mice around here. Personally, I'd never kill an animal that wasn't threatening me, but is it wrong to own another animal that does? Being caught by a cat probably isn't the most pleasant way to go, either.

Good thing I'm bigger than they are.



No because that's just wildlife doing what it does, as domestic as cats and dogs seem they are still wild under the surface with very strong predatory instincts. Deliberately or callously mistreating animals is a different kettle of fish. Nobody perticularly like it when a cat drags a bird or mouse in to the house but it's not unusual, they also get very defensive of their kill. Purely wild behaviour.
 
Mar 24, 2007 at 9:31 PM Post #73 of 96
oh wow, it'd be cool if they turned out to be rabbits. you could have a potential pet there! i think you should contact your local humane society, veterinarian or other animal expert and have them come by (or bring one in) to get a positive ID on what type of animal it is. of course, if you own a garden, rabbits could be pests too..
 
Mar 25, 2007 at 12:05 AM Post #74 of 96
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Originally Posted by Xanadu777 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I believe those will turn into the same as this pic (my rabbit, who I saved from the mower)... From what I've seen around here, looks real similar and the same style nest. Check the hair in the nest, should be real soft... I believe them mom leaves them at birth, they survive on their own and grow pretty fast.

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Yeah there was really really fine and soft hair in the nest (molted) though. It'd be awesome if they were rabbits!

I used latex gloves when handling them, so hopefully won't have scared any potential mother...
 

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