Hugo M Scaler by Chord Electronics - The Official Thread
May 11, 2021 at 10:01 AM Post #13,561 of 18,495
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May 11, 2021 at 12:48 PM Post #13,563 of 18,495
Thanks for the reply. Link is not working. Can you post it again :beerchug:
The link is working for me, but here you have a screenshot.
 

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May 11, 2021 at 12:56 PM Post #13,564 of 18,495
But why to use any converter ?
Nowadays most of the tvs have optical output.
So you can use optical out from tv to chord dac/m scaler.
It will pasthrough any audio signal that is currently playing in tv. Includes Netflix app satellite tv or what have you.
 
May 11, 2021 at 1:02 PM Post #13,565 of 18,495
May 11, 2021 at 1:06 PM Post #13,566 of 18,495
But why to use any converter ?
Nowadays most of the tvs have optical output.
So you can use optical out from tv to chord dac/m scaler.
It will pasthrough any audio signal that is currently playing in tv. Includes Netflix app satellite tv or what have you.
Exactly what I do. I assumed everyone would do that...
 
May 11, 2021 at 2:13 PM Post #13,567 of 18,495
I can imagine that maybe some old tvs don't have toslink or add big delay or something else.
Anyway I'm using my dac (non chord) that way and its very convenient when using YouTube, Netflix, cable tv or playing console games.
 
May 12, 2021 at 8:54 AM Post #13,568 of 18,495
I am currently using the USB input into my Mscaler/DAVE combo, fed from an Antipodes CX & EX . I have had this setup for about a year now and have been very happy with it to date. However, recently, for reasons not particularly relevant to this post, I needed to borrow another source for a short period of time. My local dealer was kind enough to lend me a CD transport, along with with a Black Rhodium digital Co -axial cable , which I think sells for around £1000. The transport itself sells for under £400 and was replacing what is a +£10K source. Now I am not suggesting the CD transport was better, but considering the price difference I was astounded at the increased soundstage depth and layering it gave over the Antipodes, which incidentally, I had selected originally over other servers/streamers I home demoed, as that combo gave the most three dimensional sound stage in my system. The CD transport also sounded more flowing and natural, vocals in particular seemed to convey more emotion. (The negatives were the soundstage was not as focused, instruments occupied a larger space and overlapped more) Now this has got me questioning a few things, but specifically for this forum, I would be interested to know if people feel the Co-axial SPDIF input on the MScaler is in anyway superior to the USB input? The spec's would suggest the opposite, as the USB is galvanically isolated whereas it appears that the BNC inputs are not. (I think the outputs are)

I am familiar with the argument that a CD transport, due to its low power and simplicity generates less noise than, say, the dual processors of the CX & EX, but surely something like the Antipodes would mitigate that effect, especially against a £400 transport? This is why I am asking could it be more to do with input type and format into the MScaler? I am now thinking could I replicate this sound and still keep the convenience of a server by using a D-D converter and feed the Mscaler via SPDIF. (My antipodes only outputs USB or Ethernet)
 
May 12, 2021 at 9:29 AM Post #13,569 of 18,495
I am currently using the USB input into my Mscaler/DAVE combo, fed from an Antipodes CX & EX . ... The CD transport also sounded more flowing and natural, vocals in particular seemed to convey more emotion.
I have tried to optimize my USB source (ultraRendu) with power supplies, using unshielded Ethernet cables, grounding all my Ethernet devices (cable modem, NAS, routers) and while each optimization improved my USB source sound into M-scaler, it doesn't sound the same as my wireless iPad plugged battery powered into the USB port or Toslink. So in the end, I took out an ancient USB to Toslink converter and I finally got the sound I want.

I think the problem is that there can be a lot of ground loop leakage currents running from your cable modem into the router into the antipodes into the M-Scaler that even with all the galvanic isolation in the world, a tiny bit of RF noise sneaks through into the DAC. Obviously, if you're playing of a CD transport, the only noise that can come through would be from the power supply of the CD transport which may not even exist. That's probably why you like the sound of the CD transport more. Hence, I would suggest trying a cheap USB to Toslink converter from Amazon and using the Toslink cable that comes with the M-Scaler/DAVE to start. It's a cheap experiment, even cheaper than the CD transport. The main downside is that with Toslink, you're limited to 96kHz or 192kHz or DSD input and not a higher sample rate. To me, the sonic improvement was worth it. And it made me stop obsessing about how to get rid of that last bit of noise which was slowly driving me nuts.
 
May 12, 2021 at 10:50 AM Post #13,570 of 18,495
I have tried to optimize my USB source (ultraRendu) with power supplies, using unshielded Ethernet cables, grounding all my Ethernet devices (cable modem, NAS, routers) and while each optimization improved my USB source sound into M-scaler, it doesn't sound the same as my wireless iPad plugged battery powered into the USB port...
Thank you for the idea. It hadn't crossed my mind to use my iPad as an endpoint with the camera adapter as a battery powered Roon endpoint into the M-scaler.
 
May 12, 2021 at 1:18 PM Post #13,571 of 18,495
My local dealer was kind enough to lend me a CD transport, along with with a Black Rhodium digital Co -axial cable , which I think sells for around £1000. The transport itself sells for under £400
What it was? I’ve read a lot of good reviews for Cambridge CXC which is in similar price range.
 
May 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM Post #13,572 of 18,495
But why to use any converter ?
Nowadays most of the tvs have optical output.
So you can use optical out from tv to chord dac/m scaler.
You are absolutely right. My TV also have optical output, but there is some processing and/or additional delay in comparison with direct PS-DAC connection. Also, PS5 new 3D audio engine is not supported via HDMI, only USB or bluetooth.
 

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