Aug 13, 2020 at 11:51 AM Post #11,716 of 19,728
Hi,

This may be a stupid newcomer question but if only mostly gonna use the hugo tt2 as a dac and headphone amp with an oppo 105 as a transport is there sufficient improvement capability in also getting the m scaler?
 
Aug 13, 2020 at 8:05 PM Post #11,718 of 19,728
This may be a stupid newcomer question but if only mostly gonna use the hugo tt2 as a dac and headphone amp with an oppo 105 as a transport is there sufficient improvement capability in also getting the m scaler?
The obvious answer is demo and listen for yourself since people hear things differently especially in the case of upscaler. I couldn’t demo it so I just bought a used one from fellow forum member and thought in the worst case I’ll just sell it and lose couple hundred bucks. Now I wouldn’t listen to anything without it.
 
Aug 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM Post #11,720 of 19,728
What kind of sq improvement by using these?
Before the optical solution I was using 2x 0.5m platinum starlight 8 BNC and was very satisfied with the sound. Later, due to some practical reasons I want to move the TT2 about 2m away from the HMS. That 2x 2m platinum starlight 8 will cost me over 4k and it’s so stiff I would have no way to route them so I thought I’ll give OPTO a shot. It worked out great for my situation. The optical interconnects are very thin and flexible.

I think better BNC cables still do make difference in this solution (to a point) even though Dan the creator advise against super fancy cable at the receiver since it supposedly should make no difference.

The sound is just as good as before. I think partially due to I’m still using the platinum starlight at the receiving end. If I have to compare, I do feel the optical solution lost just a touch of that liveliness but it is a rather small margin and I forgot about it after an hour. I figured Rob and Dan would conclude those perceived “warmth” or “liveliness” is actually RF noise. I’m definitely not disagreeing but it won’t be the first time I’m enjoying something that I been told not supposed to.

My personal recommendation is that if you already have a pair of favorite higher end BNC cables and satisfied with the sound then stay with them, don’t lose too much sleep over all the RF talk. As Rob himself said that these are all surface finishing on the icing of the cake.

Edit: Rob’s post, 3rd reply https://www.head-fi.org/threads/watts-up.800264/post-15800515
 
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Aug 14, 2020 at 12:16 AM Post #11,721 of 19,728
Just picked grabbed an Mscaler off the forums. I've been waiting for one. :)

Grabbed the moon audio mini coax cable for the Hugo 2 for now. Still can't decide on the TT2 vs. Dave so this will be it for a bit. Having gone through the thread I know the conversation gets a bit technical. Anything I need to know specifically in setting it up optimally? Also, I don't much use the Hugo 2 filters at all.

I'll keep combing the thread, thanks for any help in advance.
 
Aug 14, 2020 at 3:38 AM Post #11,722 of 19,728
Hi,

This may be a stupid newcomer question but if only mostly gonna use the hugo tt2 as a dac and headphone amp with an oppo 105 as a transport is there sufficient improvement capability in also getting the m scaler?
Yes definitely there is. Just connect the oppo 105 to the m scaler with an optical toslink cable. Separate the components as much as possible and keep them away from the TT2. I used the oppo 105 as a source with the Dave before getting the Blu2.
 
Aug 14, 2020 at 10:35 PM Post #11,723 of 19,728
the mscaler should be a controlled substance. it just sucks the tension out of diana krall's voice and super naturally relaxes the presentation from her live in paris album. really great. slowed down almost but it is in fact perfectly timed and this is where the mscaler excels.
 
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Aug 17, 2020 at 4:27 AM Post #11,726 of 19,728
question for @Rob Watts

Does the Mscaler have galvanic isolation on the SPDIF BNC inputs?

What about Dave?

The reason I am asking is because I have had the chance to try out a few good transports on Mscaler/Dave, and they all sounded slightly different

No the BNC inputs don't have galvanic isolation for all the DACs. This isn't a problem if you use an M scaler as the isolation is on the M scaler BNC outputs.
 
Aug 17, 2020 at 9:26 AM Post #11,727 of 19,728
Question from a newbie:
My DAC is capable receiving upto 192 kHz on SPIDF or Toslink, and upto 384 kHz on USB,
will the MScaler benefit me SIGNIFICANTLY with 16/44.1 source files over SPIDF or Toslink?
Shame that MScaler does not have a USB output

Please advise, and I will go ahead and trial anyway.
But your initial impressions will help me.

Thank you
 
Aug 17, 2020 at 9:47 AM Post #11,728 of 19,728
Question from a newbie:
My DAC is capable receiving upto 192 kHz on SPIDF or Toslink, and upto 384 kHz on USB,
will the MScaler benefit me SIGNIFICANTLY with 16/44.1 source files over SPIDF or Toslink?
Shame that MScaler does not have a USB output

Please advise, and I will go ahead and trial anyway.
But your initial impressions will help me.

Thank you

Hifi World covered that sort of discussion in their reveiw. You should give it a read.

https://chordelectronics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/M-Scaler-Review-HiFi-World.pdf
 

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