Hugo M Scaler by Chord Electronics - The Official Thread

[jjazzy]

Well the Quartet Scaler will have a fancy power supply, get ready to pay $25k for it.

That is what I mean… then prices have to go crazy again…. If the hifi market ever wonder why a lot of young people look elsewhere and not for high end anymore… that is the reason…

It was already expensive to begin with, but things are going rogue the last few years, it is about prestige & money and not music anymore (for the companies)

@GuiltyRocker you are seeing it wrong. You really think if you bought a mscaler or tt2 you have not payed enough to expect more than a plastic remote or relabeled chines psu? I totally don’t agree with that. The remote is an okay… but the psu… and chord is not different from some other brands.

Another example, the grimm mu2 streamer even a bigger middle finger to their customer, they sell it for over €17000, and it only runs with roon, and then they don’t include the lifetime license, you have to buy that seperate sorry but that is just a joke. That is like selling a car without steering wheel.

Or a roon nucleos… selling a device that needs roon, but not supply the license or a big discount (read as 80% discount) on the full version.

Even laptop companies all provide windows in their laptop, mac provide mac OS for their sold laptops.

Just giving some examples here, please correct me if you think I am wrong

 

[chelseafc]

That is what I mean… then prices have to go crazy again…. If the hifi market ever wonder why a lot of young people look elsewhere and not for high end anymore… that is the reason…

It was already expensive to begin with, but things are going rogue the last few years, it is about prestige & money and not music anymore (for the companies)

@GuiltyRocker you are seeing it wrong. You really think if you bought a mscaler or tt2 you have not payed enough to expect more than a plastic remote or relabeled chines psu? I totally don’t agree with that. The remote is an okay… but the psu… and chord is not different from some other brands.

Another example, the grimm mu2 streamer even a bigger middle finger to their customer, they sell it for over €17000, and it only runs with roon, and then they don’t include the lifetime license, you have to buy that seperate sorry but that is just a joke. That is like selling a car without steering wheel.

Or a roon nucleos… selling a device that needs roon, but not supply the license or a big discount (read as 80% discount) on the full version.

Even laptop companies all provide windows in their laptop, mac provide mac OS for their sold laptops.

Just giving some examples here, please correct me if you think I am wrong

Both of my hi-fi local dealers tell me that the more expensive stuff sells better nowadays.
There is no surprise then that most of the clientele is over 60 years old.
One of them said that South Asia and China are dictating these trends to the manufacturers.

 

[559938]

That is what I mean… then prices have to go crazy again…. If the hifi market ever wonder why a lot of young people look elsewhere and not for high end anymore… that is the reason…

It was already expensive to begin with, but things are going rogue the last few years, it is about prestige & money and not music anymore (for the companies)

@GuiltyRocker you are seeing it wrong. You really think if you bought a mscaler or tt2 you have not payed enough to expect more than a plastic remote or relabeled chines psu? I totally don’t agree with that. The remote is an okay… but the psu… and chord is not different from some other brands.

Another example, the grimm mu2 streamer even a bigger middle finger to their customer, they sell it for over €17000, and it only runs with roon, and then they don’t include the lifetime license, you have to buy that seperate sorry but that is just a joke. That is like selling a car without steering wheel.

Or a roon nucleos… selling a device that needs roon, but not supply the license or a big discount (read as 80% discount) on the full version.

Even laptop companies all provide windows in their laptop, mac provide mac OS for their sold laptops.

Just giving some examples here, please correct me if you think I am wrong

Wow. A post that contains racism, arrogance, insults and an “I know better than the people with the actual expertise and experience”. If the Chord gear isn’t for you, fine, but do you have to take a giant dump on people’s work?

 

[Hiker816]

Well the Quartet Scaler will have a fancy power supply, get ready to pay $25k for it.

I truly hope it doesn't come in that high. I've been planning around purchasing the Quartet, but that'll price me out. It's also hard to make any sense of $25k if you're pairing it with a DAVE which can be had new for well less than half that, and less than a third used. How do you explain an accessory that's triple the cost of the device it's accessorizing?

 

[jjazzy]

Wow. A post that contains racism, arrogance, insults and an “I know better than the people with the actual expertise and experience”. If the Chord gear isn’t for you, fine, but do you have to take a giant dump on people’s work?

First of all, racism… explain?

And a lot young (and general) people can’t effort the real high end hifi anymore no, so they don’t have a look at it anymore, and there always exceptions, but in general no. I can still luckily effort it (without selling a kidney), do I think the prices are crazy, yes. Music was always for music… now they treat it as a luxury, and that in the past was never the case (and no not every brand is like that, but many!) I know several hifi dealers personally that are scared of making a decent price deal with customers, because they don’t want to have a issue with the importer of the stuff…. And I do have a opinion about that.

Second of all, you don’t have to agree that’s fine. As a experienced IT engineer/software/OS developer with more than 30 year experience I do know when I see a linux distibution that needs a lot of more work (and when you are in the grimm price range, I don’t think there is room for that), then sell it as a beta product not premium. You can call me arrogant because of that… that is fine. I think that is using your customer as a beta tester

Eversolo has some quirks I have read, no excuse but they are not even close in price than what grimm charges. Even a Poly or a zen stream has quircks, but they don’t charge €17000 + the price of a Roon license for a streamer, here is the difference!

And who says chord isn’t for me? I own a chord amp, tt2, mscaler, mojo2+poly and a hugo… because I have a opinion? Did I had a opinion about the device? No about the casing of the remote and plastic casing of the (because of that) cheap looking psu. Even here you don’t have to agree my opion.

The same for nucleos, the device is nothing wrong with, roon nothing wrong with, selling a device that is not working… before you buy a seperate license, I don’t agree on, you are buying music device, not a service device.

But don’t call me a racist not angry easily, but that comment does. I said nothing that comes even close to that.

 

[nwavesailor]

Wow, Tough crowd here..........and we are only discussing audio and opinions of gear.

 

[jjazzy]

Wow, Tough crowd here..........and we are only discussing audio and opinions of gear.

, let’s talk about audio again

 

[GuiltyRocker]

First of all, racism… explain?

And a lot young (and general) people can’t effort the real high end hifi anymore no, so they don’t have a look at it anymore, and there always exceptions, but in general no. I can still luckily effort it (without selling a kidney), do I think the prices are crazy, yes. Music was always for music… nowthey tread it as a luxury, and that in the past was never the case (and no not every brand is like that, but many!) I know several hifi dealers personally that are scared of making a decent price deal with customers, because they don’t want to have a issue with the importer of the stuff…. And I do have a opinion about that.

Second of all, you don’t have to agree that’s fine. As a experienced IT engineer/software/OS developer with more than 30 year experience I do know when I see a linux distibution that needs a lot of more work (and when you are in the grimm price range, I don’t think there is room for that), then sell it as a beta product not premium. You can call me arrogant because of that… that is fine.

Eversolo has some quirks I have read, no excuse but they are not even close in price than what grimm charges. Even a Poly or a zen stream has quircks, but they don’t charge €17000 + the price of a Roon license for a streamer, here is the difference!

And who says chord isn’t for me? I own a chord amp, tt2, mscaler, mojo2+poly and a hugo… because I have a opinion? Did I had a opinion about the device? No about the casing of the remote and plastic casing of the (because of that) cheap looking psu. Even here you don’t have to agree my opion.

The same for nucleos, the device is nothing wrong with, roon nothing wrong with, selling a device that is not working… before you buy a seperate license, I don’t agree on, you are buying music device, not a service device.

But don’t call me a racist not angry easily, but that comment does. I said nothing that comes even close to that.

I agree with many of your points and no your post wasn't racist or any of that, you are entitled to your opinion as you already know. I don't agree with all you're saying, but that's the nice thing about living in a "free" society, we agree to disagree.

 

[Sevenoaks Audiophile]

I don't like cheap looking power supplies either, but, if they do the job I don't care, they are behind the rack out of sight. I rather pay less and get the product than paying a lot more for a fancy power supply case that does the same thing, who cares.

Exactly

The TT2 with M Scaler sounds amazing with the supplied SMPS and the combination totally kills the competition at this price level.

Add the Wave storm Ref dual BNC and it’s an absolute killer combination at any price.

Rob W is adamant that an LPS won’t improve either unit technically and has explained in detail on this and the TT2 thread why, even suggesting an LPS might make things worse.

Both LPS and SMPS produce noise and there are good and bad examples of both. The SMPS supplied is atypically quiet plus it has noise filters on both the input and output and was carefully selected as part of the TT2/M Scaler design.

I use the Sean J capbox to increase the filtering on the M Scaler even further, with great results.

You may prefer the sound with an LPS and that’s all that matters, but this could simply be that you prefer something that is technically worse and Rob W is adamant that it won’t be technically better.

Now I am not saying whether LPS is better/worse but I hear an improvement with the capbox.

I’m just suggesting that a SJ capbox is another option to an LPS.

 

[jjazzy]

Exactly

The TT2 with M Scaler sounds amazing with the supplied SMPS and the combination totally kills the competition at this price level.

Add the Wave storm Ref dual BNC and it’s an absolute killer combination at any price.

Rob W is adamant that an LPS won’t improve either unit technically and has explained in detail on this and the TT2 thread why, even suggesting an LPS might make things worse.

Both LPS and SMPS produce noise and there are good and bad examples of both. The SMPS supplied is atypically quiet plus it has noise filters on both the input and output and was carefully selected as part of the TT2/M Scaler design.

I use the Sean J capbox to increase the filtering on the M Scaler even further, with great results.

You may prefer the sound with an LPS and that’s all that matters, but this could simply be that you prefer something that is technically worse and Rob W is adamant that it won’t be technically better.

Now I am not saying whether LPS is better/worse but I hear an improvement with the capbox.

I’m just suggesting that a SJ capbox is another option to an LPS.

A decent LPS with big filter caps as long as it s from a decent company with a real decent design, never makes things worse. But those LPS also cost a few honderd bucks at least. so that is a choice

 

[Sevenoaks Audiophile]

A decent LPS with big filter caps as long as it s from a decent company with a real decent design, never makes things worse. But those LPS also cost a few honderd bucks at least. so that is a choice

I’m not saying it will but Row W is adamant that an LPS could make things technically worse and won’t make it better.

I’m suggesting that the supplied SMPS with Sean’s capbox could be better than an LPS costing up to say £500 that’s all and it won’t invalidate the guarantee……

I’m sure a DC3 or mini DC4 from Sean J would be better though but Rob W still thinks not……

 

[GuiltyRocker]

Exactly

The TT2 with M Scaler sounds amazing with the supplied SMPS and the combination totally kills the competition at this price level.

Add the Wave storm Ref dual BNC and it’s an absolute killer combination at any price.

Rob W is adamant that an LPS won’t improve either unit technically and has explained in detail on this and the TT2 thread why, even suggesting an LPS might make things worse.

Both LPS and SMPS produce noise and there are good and bad examples of both. The SMPS supplied is atypically quiet plus it has noise filters on both the input and output and was carefully selected as part of the TT2/M Scaler design.

I use the Sean J capbox to increase the filtering on the M Scaler even further, with great results.

You may prefer the sound with an LPS and that’s all that matters, but this could simply be that you prefer something that is technically worse and Rob W is adamant that it won’t be technically better.

Now I am not saying whether LPS is better/worse but I hear an improvement with the capbox.

I’m just suggesting that a SJ capbox is another option to an LPS.

How much is the cap box?

 

[Sevenoaks Audiophile]

How much is the cap box?

£380 in the U.K.

 

[GuiltyRocker]

£380 in the U.K.

Is this sold in the US as well?

 

[Sevenoaks Audiophile]

Is this sold in the US as well?

Best to contact Sean but he has assembly capability in the US