Home-Made IEMs
Oct 25, 2016 at 9:07 AM Post #5,446 of 16,034
ForceMajeure,

It took about 16 tries before I realized glueing the faceplate was the best way, I tried just fotoplast and each time I went to buff the fotoplast delaminated from the abalone. When I super glued it and brushed the fotoplast around the edge it stay intact without any issues. It's easier to work with than I expected, for me it was hardest figuring out how to keep it attached to the shell.
 
Oct 25, 2016 at 10:23 AM Post #5,447 of 16,034
Does anyone know whether I could substitute a low pass cross over for a CI 30120 with a red damper?
 
It'd be this set up: (Furco's Opus 3)
 
GQ-30783  +  no-crossover               +  20x1.93mm tubing  + Orange Damper (3300ohm)
CI-30120    + LP@2x(10ohm/33uF)  +  20x0.85mm tubing  + No Damper
 
Aside from that, I'd also use a green damper on the GQ, I'm hoping to supplement the GQ's anaemic bass with the CI 30120.
 
Oct 26, 2016 at 4:58 PM Post #5,451 of 16,034
  I've now listened to the GQ-30783 + RAB-32257 for about a week and have to say, it sounds really REALLY nice.  
 
I had initially convinced myself that a DIY 3-driver IEM would probably have the sound quality of a pair of $20 - $30 ear buds but without the bass filling out the sound.  After experimenting with a 6-driver config for the better part of 2 months, my pride/ego convinced me that a DIY 3-driver would be good enough for my teenagers, but not for me.  
 
I will humbly report that I couldn't have be more wrong.  Holy cow -- was I wrong!
 
During the research and development, I was worried about a lack of bass I was hearing with just using the GQ, which is why I paired it with the RAB-32257.   I've been living with UE Metro.fi 200 (pre Logitech merger) for many years so not hearing that deep dark bass in the IEMs gave me pause.  I thought RAB-32257 had the strongest sub-bass response when compared with the other RAB configurations, but now that I've double-checked, it looks like the RAB-32033 would have been a better choice if bass was my concern.  Anyway, at $12/driver for the RAB, it made economic sense to pair this with the $37/driver GQ.   The result?  The bass -- it's totally there, and right at a level that gives some nice warmth to the music but not overly so.  This is probably the result of some excellent isolation I'm getting from properly fitting shells and of course, correctly sealing the acoustic tubing at the nozzle.  Funny story about the isolation of IEMs:  As I was writing this, wearing my IEMs, I got a tap on my shoulder from my youngest.  I was startled and pulled out one to say "Hi".  He smiled in amazement and said "Could you hear me at all?"  I smiled back and told him I couldn't hear anything except the music.  He said he'd been standing behind me for a minute or two calling for me louder and louder each time.   My FiiO X1 volume is currently at 35 and apparently I'm oblivious to the world around me at this level.   
 
The details I'm now hearing are pretty magical as well.  The best way I can describe it is like this:  A long long time ago, when I got my first home theater surround sound system setup, I put in a DVD I was pretty familiar with "Saving Private Ryan".  While the sound was now amazing, there were parts of the movie where machine gun fire was occurring.  Without surround sound, you could hear the tinkling of the shells as they hit the ground, but with the surround sound playing, you could actually count the shells as they hit the ground. Listening to these IEMs reminds me of that day.  I feel like I know how many beans or bb's are in the percussion shakers and they rattle in the background of some songs.  I can hear the zipper-like sound of calloused fingers moving down the strings of the fret board in various acoustic songs that I couldn't hear before.   If there's one complaint, it's that when a low quality mp3 now queues up, it sounds muddy and makes me question if it's the mp3 or the IEMs.  I'll have to do a search on my mp3 library and replace those lower bit rate recordings.
 
Overall, the sound of this config is pretty damn fine to my ears.
 
For anyone who already has a GQ on-hand and looking to do some experimenting by adding the RAB,  the configuration I'm using is:
 
GQ-30783   - 2.0mm x 19.5mm tubing with a Knowles Green filter (1500ohm) + additional acoustic material to refine the 2kHz - 3kHz frequency response and further mellow out semblance if you hear any.
RAB-32257 - 2.0mm x 15.5mm tubing with lightweight acoustic material to refine the 2kHz - 3kHz FR.
 
The good news, is that for those who like more treble, the nondescript extra acoustic material can be omitted.  And, this config requires no crossover, other than the one that's already build into the GQ, of course.
 
 
CheersRAB-32257

Hi RAB-32257 is soldered in the GQ crossover?
thanks
 
Oct 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM Post #5,453 of 16,034
Shiloh, could you add an independent CI to pretty much any setup, along with a red damper, to add bass? (Without any problems, IE. to a GQ 30783)
 
ALSO, does anyone want to try a $8 a side triple?
 
The cross over option on here for $7.50 a pair: https://world.taobao.com/item/529381485042.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7728556.w4004-10135756754.24.CX9IzM
DTEC 30265: https://world.taobao.com/item/40521451456.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.792aUl#detail ($2.50 EACH, one for each side)
ED 26784: https://world.taobao.com/item/536429365726.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7728556.w4004-14795450967.26.PfTwaQ ($1.60 EACH, one a side)
 
+ A green damper
 
 
Also, Shiloh, the CI 30120 that I ordered were from here: https://world.taobao.com/item/528006085585.htm?spm=a312a.7728556.2015080705.14.FHbCwO&id=528006085585&scm=1007.12006.46753.i527926335562&pvid=82b3d97b-f708-4467-acda-03be04cae83a
(I remember you and some others asking for a link a while ago?)
 
 
P.S:
 
Taobao stocks fairly cheap Sonion drivers:
 
https://world.taobao.com/item/527924351325.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7728556.w4004-13270246301.12.vliRcQ
https://world.taobao.com/item/527998952131.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7728556.w4004-13270246301.24.vliRcQ
https://world.taobao.com/item/527924811302.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7728556.w4004-13270246301.26.vliRcQ
 
Oct 26, 2016 at 10:58 PM Post #5,455 of 16,034


You could absolutely add a CI to a GQ, I've seen DTEC's or HODVTEC added to a GQ to make a surprisingly good sounding 4 driver!!!
 
Oct 27, 2016 at 11:28 PM Post #5,460 of 16,034
  Hey, does anyone know how the resistor in the Etymotic ER4P-T affects the sound? Would removing the resistor add more bass to the sound? I'm only guessing this since the adapter that converts the ER4P to the ER4S adds a 75 ohm resistor to each channel and the S has less bass than the P.
 
Edit: looked at some diagrams of IEM crossovers and this seems like a simple high-pass filter? Sorry, don't know much about crossovers.

Bump? Also does anyone know the value of each resistor in the ER4P? Two 25 ohm resistors?
 

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