Home CD player options?
Jan 5, 2021 at 5:27 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 27

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For my CD collection, will a modern DVD player do my music justice?

Will a modern DVD player have a good sound or, will the optical links plug into a DAC directly? I know this is really 'old school' but, sometimes it would be nice to not be tied to my laptop for music.

I have seen various references to Nakamichi and other home stereo players but, these are obviously not currently for sale. I'm also not interested in CD players targeted apparently at eccentric billionaires. :relaxed:

TIA,
Sid
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 4:45 PM Post #3 of 27
Marantz hd-cd1? It looks like a nice machine, it also has cd-text which I think is a nice feature. I'm not sure how many cds contain cd-text though.

I use an old sony discman with optical out. The 'md-link' discmans all have optical out. But discmans get old and lasers wear out. I have to replace mine, but luckily the lasers can still be bought.
 
Jan 16, 2021 at 10:02 AM Post #8 of 27
If one is in the market for a CD transport, just get the Audiolabs CDT-6000. My experience over the last eighteen months is: the CDT-6000 is very well built, operates and reads/spins CDs flawlessly, and retrieves immense levels of detail from CDs. I believe that the absence of a CD “tray” (the CDT-6000 is a slot loader) is sonically beneficial - one less source of vibration to smear music reproduction.
 
Jan 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Post #9 of 27
I disagree with the idea that a dedicated CD player sounds better than a Blu-ray player plugged into a decent DAC. I've used a cheap Sony BDP-S370 (I think?) using optical into various DACs and it always sounds as good as using the DAC with any other source. The only drawbacks I can think of are that the Blu-ray player is slow to load some discs and that it sometimes gets a little noisy after an hour or so of play. Both of those things are probably specific to my player, though; a slightly better player might not have those problems.
 
Jan 16, 2021 at 2:41 PM Post #11 of 27
Real-time website inventory updates are not really part of a website for products like this. Amazon may have real-time inventory updates but, they are a software house and a multi-billion dollar company. Schitt and similar businesses are not software engineers or software houses so, their websites generally aren't the best for advanced features like this.
Makes sense. Part of the reason I wanted to do business with them was that they are not a giant company. I guess I'm just over-conditioned these days (due to COVID) at home shopping with Amazon) that even my toothpaste show up the next day :jecklinsmile:

:k701smile:

The Walmart shopper mentality has a huge percentage of the USA looking for "cheap at any cost". Amazon has people looking for FREE NEXT DAY deliveries too!

This, separately from COVID lockdowns, is killing the small businesses that built America into a global superpower.

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If you live in an urban "FOOD DESERT", you really don't have a choice. For everyone else, please patronize local farmers and ranchers (not wholesalers in farmers' markets)! If you cut out the middleman and lots of transportation, it really isn't that much more expensive and it tastes a WHOLE LOT BETTER WHEN SOMETHING IS HARVESTED WHEN RIPE versus green for months of storage and transportation.

I will note this a much bigger problem in the USA than in Europe. Saturday markets in Germany and the Netherlands were a high point of my time there! Excellent quality and modest pricing. Oh, those Dutch Herring fresh from the Atlantic!!! :heart_eyes:

Doner varieties in the train station and plate lunches in the department stores are really good too!

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Jan 19, 2021 at 8:36 PM Post #12 of 27
I've tried several options as transport. I quickly found that my BDP is not suited for playing cd's. Long loading times, no gapless play (very irritating with classical music) and the contant noise of the servos and motor. Neither are most old Cd-players satisfactory, often failure to to read, skipping, unwanted oversampling to coax out. Often low quality drives are getting old, worn and not a joy to use. Some proven high end vintage cd-players with drives built like a tank are still good, valuable because they will keep performing, are still in demand keeping the price steady.

I just bought a new Shanling Tempo, not expensive and just works. RFTLYS also has a nice player. A bit higher up is the European Pro-ject transport only. IMHO it's best to rip cd's and use your computer or some sort of server. Since I can't (no pc) the €220 Tempo is just fine and sounds fine. My server sounds slightly better but really shines with HD material (DSD especially).
 
Jan 19, 2021 at 9:31 PM Post #13 of 27
As far as the actual drive is concerned there are few CD only drives still manufactured, such as the TEAC VRDS, but don’t expect to see such a high end drive in anything considered “affordable”, so the optical drive itself isn’t the real issue, the main difference is in the servo electronics that control the drive which in CD only players or CD transports is optimised for the replay of the CDA format, some even have a memory buffer that allows for better read error corrections, with PC CD rom drives specialised ripping software can control some functions of the drive, so it can perform high speed ripping at a data level as well as re reading for error correction.
so if you already have a DAC in your system and just want to play your CD collection for the $$ a reasonably priced CD transport via toslink to the DAC is hard to beat as It guarantees electrical isolation from transport to DAC.
 
Mar 25, 2021 at 1:46 PM Post #14 of 27
Late to this thread but I'll add my recent experience adding a Cambridge Audio CXC V2 transport to my system. First, I want to say that none of my music listening set ups are optimized for neutrality or analytical clarity. I would even say that they might not even be revealing (gasp) but they all produce enjoyable, musical experiences. Back when people could come over they often commented on how good the HT system sounded. I even have an audio engineer friend who after visiting asked me to give him a list of everything in my desktop chain so that he could reproduce it at a second home.

For years I've used an Oppo universal DVD, SACD, DVDA player and a Marantz UD5005 - also universal only a Blu-ray drive instead of DVD. The Oppo to a DAC sounded great but had no SQ advantage over my streaming set up in my home office using a RaspberryPi/Allo DigiOne. I had wanted to use it to listen to SACD and DVDA discs but it would only output 16/44 to an external DAC. It did sound nice playing those high resolution discs using it's internal DAC outputting via RCA outs but I felt the 2005 DAC could be bested in 2021 So I sold it on eBay.

I've always been pretty happy with the Marantz via HDMI out to my Marantz HT Receiver (SR 6005) but the tray opening and closing mechanism started failing about the same time it became pickier about what discs it wanted to play. I had the drawer repaired but a month later it would give me a load error for most discs. Time to find a replacement. Maybe I jumped the gun on selling my Oppo too soon after the Marantz repair.

I have somewhere between 900 and 1000 cd's so I am not about to abandon the platform. CD playback is a mature technology while streaming is still in it's infancy. Coincidentally, there are just as many people claiming that all CD/Blu-ray/DVD players used as transports (sending signal to DAC via Coax) sound identical as there are people saying streamers sound identical because bits are bits. If this is true than everyone should just use the $10 Bit Perfect plugin with iTunes and buy the cheapest Hello Kitty portable DVD player and be done with it. Software and hardware implementation play big role in how electronics work but to each their own. I tend to gravitate to finding a nice analog sound that is engaging even at low volumes and I'm open to trying things out to find SQ improvements. Especially when they don't break the bank.

I've been looking forward to the upcoming Schiit Urd CD transport as the "last CD player I'll ever have to buy". @Baldr knows a thing or two about digital transports and his 1991 Theta Transport based on a laser disc mechanism is still prized by owners and sought after on the used market. I signed up for the Beta test and hope to be included but who knows when that will happen and if I will be included. I found myself without a disc player for the first time since 1985 so I jumped on a refurbished CXC V2 from the Cambridge Audio eBay store for the bargain price $349.00.

Adding the CXC to the Bifrost 2 via Blue Jeans Cables coax in my headphone/office rig easily justified the purchase. The transport edged out a RaspberryPi 4/Silent Angel VitOs Roon endpoint in a head to head comparison. It didn't trounce the streamer but there was an improvement in SQ. Not enough for me to want to go to an all CD system because the convenience of streaming my local FLAC files and Tidal access is just too good of an experience. Also, the full sized CD player is too big for my desktop and listening nook.

Next I moved it into the Living room home theater rig in the place of the Marantz UD5005. I've never felt the Marantz lacked anything and would still be using it if it worked properly. I could easily hear the difference between CD and SACS/DVDA/Blu-ray Audio discs on this system but those formats are expensive and very limited in title selection and availability. After hearing CD quality on Schiit multibit DACs I started selling off my high resolution discs and buying used CDs. My HT set up doesn't have a multibit DAC and instead just relies on the one in the receiver which sounds pretty good in my cavernous room with windows, glass door and a 17' high wall of photos printed on metal. Not the best room for high end audio.

The CXC v2 is connected to the Marantz receiver using a Morrow Audio silver coax because it's flexible and I had it lying around. Playing a CD sounds great like this. Really dynamic and engaging. I was actually surprised because I pulled my Allo DigiOne out of this system because it sounded thin on the Coax to the Marantz. I had assumed that there was an internal optimization for HDMI being that it was a HT receiver. Must've been something else interfering with the endpoint because it's on equal footing to other sources in my office headphone system.

With one player being broken and one sold, this can't be a direct comparison but I do know how those players sounded in my audio chain and have no problem saying the CXC V2 sounds better to me. Build quality seems pretty good - it doesn't feel like a $99 box store Blu-ray player. If it wasn't for the upcoming Schiit transport I'd be happy with this for the forseable future. Actually, I will probably leave this in my HT system and add the Schiit Urd to my headphone/office system If I can swing it financially.

I would say that if you have a lot of CDs and need to replace an aging CD player you should audition a CD transport before making a decision. The Cambridge Audio CXC V2 is a great value, especially if you get it factory direct refurbished.
 
Mar 30, 2021 at 9:53 PM Post #15 of 27
High on my shopping list is a Audiolab 6000CDT.

Its only CD transport so an external dac of sorts will be needed.

If one is in the market for a CD transport, just get the Audiolabs CDT-6000. My experience over the last eighteen months is: the CDT-6000 is very well built, operates and reads/spins CDs flawlessly, and retrieves immense levels of detail from CDs. I believe that the absence of a CD “tray” (the CDT-6000 is a slot loader) is sonically beneficial - one less source of vibration to smear music reproduction.
I have the Audiolab 8300CD and it's pure killer. Not cheap but one of the best sounding pieces of gear I have, and it includes a USB DAC. Superb!
 

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