[incredulousity]

I love Bliss with Elite. Better than on every amp but Envy, which is equal, but toooooby different.

No experience with Solitaire P.

 

[chesebert]

I hope you're right. I've seen manufacturers wich add the per channel output to impress with max. output specs.

in reality 1 or a couple of quality watts at the most is all you need to drive Sus to the max.

12w/ch is typical manufacturer BS spec to impress the masses.

 

[Delta9K]

If you're looking at the specs per channel in regards to powering Susvara you'd want to look at watts/ch @ 60ohms, not @ 32 ohms.

Not the best with math but a simple guess is that Bliss may be in the neighborhood of 6.4w/ch on LO-Z XLR output @60 ohms, based on the 20Vrms max of the Balanced XLR output rating in the manual.

Don't assume the above as fact: I'm not an engineer, only a consumer doing basic conversions to get approximates for personal comparisons.

 

[Rhodey]

Sus needs more than 1-2 watts. Definitely needs solid current. It’ll get loud but won’t be driven to it’s potential imo.

 

[chesebert]

Sus needs more than 1-2 watts. Definitely needs solid current. It’ll get loud but won’t be driven to it’s potential imo.

You would be wrong in that assumption. The math does not agree with you. Sus requires 1.59 watts at 9.75volts to get to 115dB loudness. Factor in 30dB headroom, and you would be listening at an average volume of 85dB. BTW, 0.5 watt will get you to 110dB.

Like I said, quality watts, your amp probably has poor power/current delivery. You need a better amp, not more watts.

 

[tesox]

Sus needs more than 1-2 watts. Definitely needs solid current. It’ll get loud but won’t be driven to it’s potential imo.

Thats my experience as well.

 

[Rhodey]

You would be wrong in that assumption. The math does not agree with you. Sus requires 1.59 watts at 9.75volts to get to 115dB loudness. Factor in 30dB headroom, and you would be listening at an average volume of 85dB. BTW, 0.5 watt will get you to 110dB.

Like I said, quality watts, your amp probably has poor power/current delivery. You need a better amp, not more watts.

Haha ok! You go ahead and run the sus off whatever makes it loud. It’s your money.

 

[tesox]

You would be wrong in that assumption. The math does not agree with you. Sus requires 1.59 watts at 9.75volts to get to 115dB loudness. Factor in 30dB headroom, and you would be listening at an average volume of 85dB. BTW, 0.5 watt will get you to 110dB.

Like I said, quality watts, your amp probably has poor power/current delivery.

Like Rhodey says, loud and loud are not the same. But lets get back to topic. 12W per channel max. with around 6W at 60ohms is Susvara league.

 

[chesebert]

Like Rhodey says, loud and loud are not the same. But lets get back to topic. 12W per channel max. with around 6W at 60ohms is Susvara league.

You are assuming Bliss doubles down when imp is halfed, which may or may not be true. I am skeptical the power supply can delivery that kind of current.

 

[Rhodey]

Currently using the Bryston BHA1, 2W @ 32Ω. Sus sounds good but it can do much better. Hopefully the bliss does what I hope it can.

 

[tesox]

You are assuming Bliss doubles down when imp is halfed, which may or may not be true. I am skeptical the power supply can delivery that kind of current.

It can do 2.5Wrms@150Ω what points exactly in that direction.

 

[chesebert]

It can do 2.5Wrms@150Ω what points exactly in that direction.

That's actually pretty good.

 

[ozziegurkan]

I just retired my Ferrum OOR from the headphone listening rack to the living room speaker rack and injected it into the pre-amp stream! It is rocking my powered speakers. They now have a new life as a premium bypassed RCA to XLR converter. Kinda happy about it. Bliss has taken the helm as the SS lord...

 

[chesebert]

Currently using the Bryston BHA1, 2W @ 32Ω. Sus sounds good but it can do much better. Hopefully the bliss does what I hope it can.

that amp is under powered for Sus - lacking both current and voltage. It's not a bad amp just not a good fit for Sus.

Edit: I meant to say the amp is current limited; "lacking current" is not the proper way to describe the behavior.

 

[Rhodey]

that amp is under powered for Sus - lacking both current and voltage. It's not a bad amp just not a good fit for Sus.

No sh!t
My whole point earlier. I had the wa33 before so I know what the sus can do off a properly paired amp. Reason for the bliss purchase and on this thread.