Gustard U16 - the first USB Interface featuring ESS USB chip
Dec 9, 2018 at 3:48 PM Post #152 of 1,697
@batfier

Can you show me the cable you used to connect to the Hugo2. Also are you able to playback Native DSD512 through the Hugo2 using the U16, and if so is through the BNC output? Thanks

Didn't found a perfect cable, so just using a normal digital cable (75 Ohm) RCA-to-RCA plus an adapter RCA-to-3,5mm (mono) on Hugo 2 side.

Hugo 2 coax port is 3,5mm and can take up to two coax connections.

One Hugo2 coax connection in "limited" to 384khz (which is more than usual) so I doubt DSD512 will work this way. You could use Hugo 2 USB port for that. An alternative would be an additional M-Scaler (USB port also) and use dual coax out to dual coax in on Hugo 2. This way 768khz are possbile, but only with Chord upscaling stuff.

However I don't see a way to get DSD512 from a U16->Hugo2 combo.

I think the only way you can output DSD512 from U16 is HDMI/I2S. So you need a DAC with this kind of inputs and hopefully the right version of this non standardized HDMI/I2S interface:wink:
 
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Dec 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM Post #153 of 1,697
Didn't found a perfect cable, so just using a normal digital cable (75 Ohm) RCA-to-RCA plus an adapter RCA-to-3,5mm (mono) on Hugo 2 side.

Hugo 2 coax port is 3,5mm and can take up to two coax connections.

One Hugo2 coax connection in "limited" to 384khz (which is more than usual) so I doubt DSD512 will work this way. You could use Hugo 2 USB port for that. An alternative would be an additional M-Scaler (USB port also) and use dual coax out to dual coax in on Hugo 2. This way 768khz are possbile, but only with Chord upscaling stuff.

However I don't see a way to get DSD512 from a U16->Hugo2 combo.

I think the only way you can output DSD512 from U16 is HDMI/I2S. So you need a DAC with this kind of inputs and hopefully the right version of this non standardized HDMI/I2S interface:wink:
Thanks for the insight!!!
 
Dec 10, 2018 at 1:47 PM Post #156 of 1,697
EDIT: DoP works fine with Topping D50 and Spring over Coax/Optical. So something not right with FiiO Q5/SMSL M8A. All in all things look perfect now.

GU16V1_4_HOLO_0dB.rom solves problems for me wrt Holo Spring. No channel swap issue with
either PCM or DSD.
Btw, Spring sounds heavenly - so analog like with such a deep soundstage via I2S.

The only issue remains is DoP (DSD64) does not work over Coax or Optical.
 
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Dec 10, 2018 at 10:33 PM Post #161 of 1,697
After all those days I am generally happy to swap SU-1 to U16. It's not perfect but of the shelf it sounds better then modified SU-1 which is impressive.

Build quality pretty good and like design as well.

Wow ! Thank you for sharing.

(BTW: If using i2s (HDMi), I've very recently purchased/connected Audioquest 'Chocolate' 1.0m HDMi cable (from Cinnamon 1.0m) and OMG -Speed/Clarity, dimensionality/realism (3-D literally) incredibly impressive low-end depth with control without sacrificing, (NOT interfering) with the so,so important amazing upper bass/lower-midrange performance; definition, nuance, articulation.
This cable, single-handily elevated performance/SQ to genuine 'high-end, highly resolving calibre. And this was first noted immediately after plug-in. (72-100 Hours settling time. )

Anyone out there that can give impressions on Gustard X-22 (9038-chip) DAC ? Better than X-20PRO ?

Cheers,

pj
 
Dec 10, 2018 at 10:38 PM Post #162 of 1,697
Most of electronics I buy with Mouser, Farnel, hificollective & audiophonics.

I had a HQPlayer demo and didn't like from user perspective. It's not so intuitive as JRiver. I may give another try if SQ is worth it.

New U16 controller give much more progress than any software or hardware with XMOS before. But need very long burn-in time. I recommend 2 weeks of 24h operation, so over 300h.
Most of electronics I buy with Mouser, Farnel, hificollective & audiophonics.

If using HDMi (i2s) try Audioquest 'Chocolate' HDMi cable -OMG, astonishing SQ

(AQ 'Carbon' USB cable 1.5m, Rune Audio, Raspberry Pi 3B SBC !).

pj

I had a HQPlayer demo and didn't like from user perspective. It's not so intuitive as JRiver. I may give another try if SQ is worth it.

New U16 controller give much more progress than any software or hardware with XMOS before. But need very long burn-in time. I recommend 2 weeks of 24h operation, so over 300h.
 
Dec 10, 2018 at 10:48 PM Post #163 of 1,697
Very well built unit, and I confirm that the stock I2S configuration works out of the box with any HDMI cables connecting into LKS004.

I am using HQPlayer and Upsampling on the fly into DSD512 via my I2S by LKS004 and it works !


So far I am able to run : Poly-Sinc-XTR-mp-2s by DSD512 which I was never able to run before with Amanero or Xmos interface of any kinds....

Then I am even able to found DPLL10 that works for other filters, except the very heavy load! Must be my PC limitations


I can even run YouTube and online streaming out of Windows and upscaling it all to 384Khz ! Wow! Technically, this DSP has proven my theory about how important a DSP chip is, by interface and connecting between devices. It is superior to the rest.

What about that sound performances ? Awesome ! Most noticeable is that upper frequencies energy retentions. The density of upper frequencies are with great density and weight but extended well and very defined . The back ground is more quiet, with greater details retrieval, the soundstage hugely benefit and become more immersive (and this is out of the box)...crazy....and only $285 (less than any snake oil cables) LOL! But with huge benefit and real performances gains

Eventhough I have Pinkfaun I2S and OCXO clocks, that thing is only good for PCM. But if you want anything further, DSD and upscaling and so on, this is the way to go.

Usb Cables is Pangea
I2S-HDMI is Pangea
Power cord is DIY Solid Silver
Source is Built PC on board USB (no upgraded card yet)
DAC is LKS004 (Upgraded OCXO clock)
Toward Stax system T2 and 009S


Wonderful pic's/U-16.

If you can, try Audioquest 'Chocolate' HDMi -as I just connected to my U-12/X-20PRO (after trying 'Pearl', 'Forest, 'Cinnamon' (HDMi) and OMG: Stunning SQ.
(Likely the most impressive 'snake-oil' you are likely to find at such a reasonable price ! I couldn't believe the SQ transformation. Incredible.)

pj
(P.S> Also purchased a DH Labs USB cable that destroyed the WW 'Starlight 7' -it is in another league entirely (the DH Lab USB). And it's priced very reasonably -less than Wireworld Starlight 7.)
 
Dec 10, 2018 at 10:56 PM Post #164 of 1,697
Actually, I have just compared between Pangea USB vs my DIY UP-Silver USB cables (Ultra pure Silver 18AWG per conductor x4). There are perceived improvement in performances, but Pangea isn’t bad as it cost so very little in comparison to my DIY one.

I was previously loving Pinkfaun I2S into my LkS004 and tucked away this Cables for a while and forgot about it lol...thanks for reminding.

I also have Silver Dragon USB cables too, which is very worth buying instead of DIY, highly recommended

Try Audioquest 'Chocolate' HDMi (for i2s). Incredible !

(U-12, Gustard X-20 PRO, AQ 'Carbon' USB, Raspberry Pi-3, Rune Audio)

All Digital (and other sources) powered via Balanced AC Power Supply (Blue Circle MR-800).

pj
 
Dec 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM Post #165 of 1,697
what cables are you using for the gustard?. I own an old acoustic revive USB and some DIY interconnects with with pure silver 24 gauge, and I don't know if it makes any sense to spend more into interconnects.

It will when you hear a pair (of IC's) that turns your listening room into a 3-D panoramic sound-field ! (RE. I don't know if it makes any sense to spend more into interconnects.)

Sometimes it's a genuine, premium (pure-silver) design of 'engineered' design (winding topology, insulation, connector quality ) while other times a synergistic complement.

Bottom line: No one wishes/likes to spend money unnecessarily, but when/if we hear something special (repeatedly), very obvious performance improvement, we ultimately find a way to get it.

pj
 

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