GRADO PS-1: The Be All & End All Of Grados? A Comparative Review

Jun 28, 2004 at 4:14 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 28

Zanth

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As I sit and write this review I dawn the PS-1’s. I relax and listen to some Hipnosis Jazz (a great jazz quintet from Europe, Germany I believe). The reason I write this is because this would not be possible if it were not for the incredible generosity of Emelius. Emelius offered to send me his BRAND NEW PS-1’s while his amp is being built. I had the luxury and honour of burning the phones in, listening to the changes, having them settle and then spending lots of time with them as I evaluated their sound. I am indebted to you Emelius. I can’t say I would have heard them otherwise, at least not for a significantly long time and certainly not for this length of time. As a diehard Grado fan, this was a treat beyond treats. Thank you again.

As with all reviews and impressions, these are my opinions. Read them, take them for what they are and hopefully enjoy a few minutes reading through my remarks.

A list of gear used:

HEADPHONES:

Grado HP-1’s with JGSUWBSRC
Grado RS-1’s
Grado PS-1’s

AMPLIFIERS:

Grado RA-1
Melos Sha-x modified by carlo, using CBS/HYTRON 7318’s and Amperex PQ 7316’s

SOURCES:

Panasonic SLSW870 Shockwave (Darth Maul colours)
Shanling CD-T100, heavily modified, using Bendix Redbank 6385’s

CABLES:

W Enterprises NW Music Timbre 24K Gold Plated Tri-Alloy IC’s and PC’s

POWER RELATED ITEMS:

OneAC 1120 Line Conditioner
Furutech Gold Plated Recepticle

MUSIC:

A sampling from my extensive collection including much Jazz, Classical, Eletronica, and Rock.
Opening up the UPS box, I was presented with the typical white box of Grado phones. No warranty or technical information was provided, which didn’t impress me but since these phones are special order, I’m not entirely surprised either. Not a big deal though for headphones in the +$1k category I would have liked to see a more durable and appropriate carrying case. The cardboard box is rather insulting. After forking over $1400 USD I’d pay the extra $5 for a Rubber-Made case of some sort even. Something…anything other than paper!

[size=small]Build Quality and Design[/size]

The PS-1’s have been called the penultimate of the John Grado sound but what about their design? They sure look the same as their siblings. Especially the John flavours. The exterior looks pretty well identical to an RS-1 save for the cup material. The headband leather is the same, with the same amount of padding as my RS-1’s. The cup mounts and poles are the same material as the RS-1’s and we even have the same plastic sleeve for the poles as the RS-1’s. The major differences to the eye are the absence of the model number discs on the metal mesh of the cup and the material of the chambers themselves which are aluminum and not mahogany.

The extra weight of the aluminum is substantial compared to the RS-1’s which are some of the lightest phones I have ever used. The PS-1’s feel SOLID when I wear them. Perhaps a bit heavy but then I’m used to using the HP-1’s as well which are not as heavy but nearly so. I like the weight though. It makes me feel secure in the product I own. They at least give me the impression that if I drop them they won’t shatter. RS-1’s could chip if dropped, the PS-1’s would leave a dent in a wooden floor or a foot! For those that do not enjoy heavy phones, these should be scratched from the lists of possible phones. The material chosen though, makes sense. The PS-1’s were a special order from a German firm wanting headphones for monitoring in recording studios. They need to be durable not unlike the HP-1000’s before them. And they are. Though many feel the Grados are outdated in looks and design, these new babies could well take a direct hit from a Tomahawk missile. When one is busy at work, it doesn’t matter what the phones look like. Personally I love the retro design of Grado phones and the comfort and fit work well with my head and ears. I love the supra-aural design and flats of course!

Do these compare with the construction of the HP-1000’s? Not in a million years. We all know that the HP-1000’s could withstand a direct hit from the vaunted Wormwood
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I’ll quickly refer to my previous review and mention that HP-1000’s are likely the best and most over built headphones ever and a build of such quality which we will likely never see again. Screws, metal, metal, metal and more metal. There is no plastic to be seen, just a bit of rubber sheathing the cable and some foam for the pads. For $1400 I would have liked to see this quality of build construction. Especially since if by my calculations, the $595 HP-1000’s which were sold in 1990 through 95 would only hit around $1k with inflation.


Inside we are told that there are screws holding the drivers in place instead of glue, just like the HP-1’s, and that the drivers though an “entirely different beast” than those of the RS-1’s (John’s words) they may in fact be RS-1 drivers with extra destressing. I’m still waiting on an official reply from Grado regarding this. I will not open up these phones to peak at them. If I owned them that would be a different story.

The cable looks identical to that of the RS-1’s and I’d be surprised if it was different.

So in essence we have RS-1’s with a tweaked driver and some new cup material dampened with screws. Could the dampening be the key to the sound? We’ll see…


[size=small]Sound[/size]

What first struck me and what seems to strike many, taking from the various meet impressions, is that the PS-1’s have some serious bass going on. This bass is deep, very controlled in terms of restricting bloat which many are more than familiar with, typical of that all famous one bass punch which accompanies riced up cars tearing down the main streets. PS-1’s are the Grado champion of bass and may rival the Beyerdynamic DT770’s. Lots of bass, perhaps even too much depending on the recording. Though I find the DT 770’s to be completely unnatural in their bass presentation and completely bumped, the PS-1’s, which still retain that mid-bass hump of the RS-1’s, do much better at controlling it and reducing bass resonance which spoils the leading edges of proceeding notes. This I will attribute to the dampening of the drivers and the aluminum of the chambers. With metal we simply do get better bass from Grados. At least this is my experience when listening to the 325’s, PS-1’s and the HP-1000’s. I needed to swap tubes in my Melos to tone the bass down, and would need to keep them in there if I were to own these phones. Seriously, the bass was that crazy. I use the Amperex PQ’s which are known to be a tad bass shy though liquid and smooth from top to bottom with incredible mids and highs. This tube really suited the PS-1’s and made them more than enjoyable to me for long long periods of time. I proceeded to listen to many trance tracks with solid bass lines and the PS-1’s kept a wide smile on my face. With the 7318’s in the amp, my ears had so much air pushing down the canals they hurt. The pain was VERY similar to the pain I feel when using the bowl pads on my RS-1’s. I put the bowls on for an instant with the PS-1’s and then placed NOS flats on. Honestly, I’m a flats lover. I won’t use any other pads now so all my impressions from here on down are regarding flats. With bowls the sound was not my thing and this was more attributed to even more air rushing down to pulverize my drums. I will admit though that the highs were not as noticeably changed going from bowls to flats, very similar to HP-1000’s in this regard.

As for frequency range, I can’t say the PS-1’s go any lower than the RS-1’s or HP-1’s with my system. My system has been completely built around the Grado sound and I have used test tones to discern the bass proficiency of the Grado line. The PS-1’s offer more control than RS-1’s which makes it easier to hear those really low notes, but the HP-1’s do it even better, with more control which could be a simple perception because the bass is more balanced, leaner if you will but with more impact. I feel the HP-1000’s have the most solid and tangible bass, palpable if one will. The PS-1’s bass is softer and the RS-1’s bass is softer still. My personal goal in any musical reproduction system, speakers or headphones, is to have as close to perfect attack as possible with incredible leading edges and palpability. I want to feel the weight of the drum stick when it hits the skin, I want to hear the weight of the mallet when it hits the metal of a xylophone. This is indeed very hard to recreate in my experience and only three phones are fast enough and proficient enough to do it well – Etymotic 4 series, Sony R10’s and the HP-1000’s. I have not heard the latest and greatest from other canal phones nor have I heard Omega II’s or the HE90’s so don’t flame me folks. But among the Grado lines, only Joe’s old metal beasts can do it in my system. That said, I’m not saying the PS-1 bass is not a lot of fun, in fact I love it a lot! It’s just overwhelming at times and one may need to attenuate it in some form or another. I was lucky enough to have the Amperex tubes on hand. I didn’t bother with the Telefunkens which I also have here, since they are not as good as the PQ’s, though I’m sure the bass attenuation would have had similar results.

The level of detail and resolution was comparable to rs1 and hp1 and in fact, I would say rs1 still gives off the appearance of more upper range detail because of a more forward sound. This is where I prefer the PS1 to RS1. I will sacrifice detail for a more balanced sound. The PS1s are lets say…the tip of the stage or right there licking the sweat that flies from the performer. With RS1’s you are licking the sweat off their face and HP-1’s give you that safety zone, close enough to see it all coming at you, but far enough away to know its gonna hit that big guy a few feet in front of you. Close enough to see it fly but far enough back to avoid being taken out. Thank goodness for HP-1’s!

The highs of the PS-1’s are really nice to listen to and are very extended. I don’t think they are any more extended than the HP-1’s but I don’t think they are less than either. Though there is more bass which could mask the highs a bit, the PS-1’s don’t falter here and it’s easy to follow notes in the upper echelons of human hearing. This is the second best aspect of the PS-1’s and I applaud John here. If the secret is driver dampening, then I want my RS-1’s to get some screws immediately. At times the RS-1 sound is just a bit too forward for me (bad recordings mainly) but the PS-1’s never make me feel like ripping the phones from my head.

The mids, oh the mids! Grados are known for having some of the best mids in the biz and the PS-1’s do not disappoint. Fast, controlled and so enjoyable and realistic. MMmm mmm, this is why I own Grados folks. These mids. In fact, from my experience, no other headphone company matches Grado here. As for singular phones from various lines, only the R10’s for me…compare to the RS-1/PS-1/HP-1 here. Again I have yet to hear Stax Omega II’s and Sennheiser HE90’s.

PS-1’s are not nearly as neutral as HP-1’s. Many will likely prefer this to the “cool” sound of the HP-1’s since the sound is more neutral than any other Grado, but the HP-1’s are far and away the most neutral listening device I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. No hype anywhere in the signal, no peaks or valleys. It’s as flat as I can imagine sound being coming from transducers. Some do dislike this and when paired with an equally neutral amp, may find the combo a bit boring. I fall in this category and this is why I chose to go with a Melos over a Gilmore for my HP-1000’s. With the PS-1’s, the bass is overly dramatic to the point of warming up the sound a bit too much for my liking. At least as far as my intent on the most neutral sound out there. But then if I was so militant about this, I would have a Gilmore amp and not a Melos. That said, the CBS/Hytron 7318s are the bestest of the best 12au7s out there and frankly provide the most neutral and real life sound possible for my Melos yet I use the Amperex with best results. So perhaps if I were to compare the PS-1/Gilmore to the HP-1/Melos I would come closer to similar sound? Who knows, but it would be lots of fun to try. For classical I still prefer the HP-1’s because of their neutrality.

The PS-1’s have greater instrument separation than the RS-1’s which may give the portrayal of better this or that since RS-1’s are so forward and have a more collapsed headstage, but when listening intently it shows that the hyped bass in the PS-1 actually causes a muffled sound at times. The HP-1’s have superior instrumental separation of the three contenders and this translates to the better bass of the three, more balanced I should say, so better for me for most music. RS-1’s have a more balanced bass than the PS-1’s but the bass one gets with PS-1 is WOW and more accurate. For the bass lovers, this phone is a dream without being a Beyer psycho Sony crazy bass womping phone.

The headstaging is interesting with these phones. The left to right or longitudinal axis is nearly as compressed as the RS-1’s, HP-1’s crushing them in perceived distance between left and right temples. What PS-1’s do provide is a very DEEP headstage, on the Z axis. I don’t hear it going deeper than HP-1’s, but it goes nearly as deep, and deeper than RS-1’s and by a substantial enough margin. I always enjoyed the HP-1’s for this fact, the ability to project further than the current line-up of Grados, the PS-1’s have come close enough that I wouldn’t overly care if I missed out.

Grados are not known for having a wide headstage but they do get sound out of the head or “soundstage” as Darth Nut put it. Grados are able to throw those sounds far out of the head when necessary and the PS-1’s really do a great job here as well. Nothing dramatically different than the HP-1’s or RS-1’s in this respect but they don’t falter either.

It seems thus far that I feel the PS-1’s beat the RS-1’s or match them everywhere and are neck and neck with HP-1’s or just falling shy of them for my preferences. Where I feel the RS-1’s excel and will likely always excel over any phone with a metal body is tonal accuracy and sound decay of woodwinds and string instruments. Though the RS-1 wood body contributes to this entirely, the wonderful resonance gives these instruments such an incredibly REALISTIC sound that it’s striking most times, staggering at others. I have extensive experience with these types of instruments and am a nationally qualified piano and clarinet instructor. The RS-1’s provide this magic realism that to these ears is unmatched by any but the R10’s. Wood, folks, it’s the real deal. I can’t say why exactly a neutral phone like the HP-1 or a fairly neutral phone like the PS-1 would not sound as real than the RS-1’s for these instruments, less colouration should be good right? Not when it comes to string quartets it doesn’t! Not to me, and not to my old music teacher either. This will fall into preferences etc., but well, this alone warrants me keeping the RS-1’s around. Much of my classical collection is string and woodwind based and a lot of my jazz is clarinet or bass clarinet based.

The crowning jewel of John’s engineering and design though comes with the PS-1’s. I have never ever ever heard anything as smooth and liquid as sound coming from PS-1’s. If I am at all put off by the PS-1 price, this one attribute could sway my vote in the direction of “it’s worth it.” I fall into the music and I just never want it to stop. It is non-fatiguing, velvety, plush, wonderful, magical. Yes, hyperbole and meaningless adjectives but I don’t care. One has to listen to experience this phenomenon. It’s something that is entirely overwhelming. I don’t want to give these phones back to Emelius!!!

This liquid sound does not come at a cost to detail, resolution, extension on either end. No this is a work of art, a work of solid engineering and design and if it’s a result of the extra destressing of the drivers, then I want my RS-1 drivers destressed too!!

[size=small]Conlusions[/size]

I look at the PS-1’s and I think to myself, RS-1’s with aluminum cups. Are the drivers dramatically different? Different rumours are flying around. As I’ve said I’ll get to the bottom of this, hopefully soon. I’ve been told they are the same as the RS-1’s but have undergone more destressing. If so, then frankly, the PS-1’s should not cost 800 MORE than RS-1’s as the R&D was at a minimum. I understand the traveling between continents 2x+ and that saddens me as this phone is now out of reach of more than a few folks. When my wife saw me listening to them she told me I had to give them back to Emelius. I told her yes dear I know…but I didn’t want to, and I still don’t want to. I want a pair, I want them if only for their liquidity. Soooo smooth and I love that about them. They are the most liquid phone I have heard to date. Where they lose out in resolution to the R10’s they destroy them in liquidity. So then at this level of the game it again is a decision based entirely upon preferences. Do you want the ultimate in resolution? Or do you want something entirely different but equally gratifying? Perhaps the Omega II’s offer both. I will find out one day!

Are they the perfect Grado? For some yes, for some no. For me…not quite. What I want, what I would LOVE is a Grado with the axis lengths of the HP1000’s, the neutrality of the HP-1000’s with the liquid sound of the PS-1’s, and the HP-1000 headstage. Oh, how about a wider longitudinal axis as well, just a bit wider…and the build of an HP-1000’s is mandatory now.

For those looking for a high-end phone, something 1337! Then this could be it! It’s in production, it is less than any other top phone (unless Omega II’s are ordered direct from Japan) and frankly I think it sounds better than any dynamic phone currently in production that I have heard. I have not heard the Leatherhead or that crazy Ultrazone phone. But from what folks say, they don’t hold a candle to the R10 and I don’t think the R10’s are all that. Not for 3.5k anyway.

Will I sell my HP-1’s for these phones? No. Will I sell my RS-1’s for them? No. Will I save up for them? Time will tell. I still need to hear Omega II’s but since I love the Grado sound and was not all that impressed with 404’s there is a good chance Zanth will have a pair by Christmas
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RS-1’s still provide the best sound reproduction for woodwinds and strings I have heard to date. It’s just how it goes and I doubt any metal phone will be able to match it. R10’s are the only phone that comes close to the RS-1’s and could perhaps take it down if they were not closed and having that odd reverb thing going on. I love the mids of the R10 though and they are very fast and they sparkle. Grados have everything but that R10 sparkle.

What I am drawn more and more to with the PS-1’s is their coherency which is matched with the liquid sound. They are simply a joy to listen. If the RS1’s are ever bright, the PS1’s correct this. Perhaps not so ironically, I found the the PS1’s sound incredible out of the RA-1. No surprise to this fan though, since the RA-1 is also a very nice liquid sounding amp. In fact, I think the RA-1 is a very nice partner and the PS-1’s are able to retain most of their strengths with the RA-1. The RA-1 really is an incredible little amp. Go ahead you naysayers! Bash away, but my RA-1 stays.

What would my perfect headphones be? Likely they would have that high impact, palpable sound of the HP-1’s with their balanced and tight bass, the liquid sound of the PS-1’s with the chambers of the RS-1’s. Screws, extra dampening, more driver destressing and more padding on the top of the head band. Lastly widen the X Y and Z axis headstage and I’m all for it. Charge me $2k even and I’ll bite, because in the end I would have all that I would want out of a Grado and no need to keep the other top drawer players, at least none other than for reasons of nostaligia.

Thanks again Emelius for this exciting and gratifying opportunity.

PS-1's are exclusively availble in the US and I assume North America via our very own Todd the Vinyl Junkie, a sponser of this site and a great all around guy. Thanks Todd for working your butt off in order to get us these great phones and the flats too!
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 5:35 AM Post #3 of 28
o i wonder if my next headphone purchase shuld just wait till i can go all out for these. im wondering whether to save up for the ms2 vs. rs1, or just go all out for the ps-1 which cost something rediculous to a 16 year old. but i can get that much in a year (hopefully). have u heard the ms-2? how do they compare? shuld my next purchase be the ms-2, rs-1, or ps-1. well, next purchase after im done with an amp and source, but how do the ps-1s sound out of a gilmore?
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 6:18 AM Post #4 of 28
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well, next purchase after im done with an amp and source, but how do the ps-1s sound out of a gilmore?


there should be a few impressions in at least the san jose meet and socal meet threads on the PS1 connected to the gilmore balanced reference (with both balanced and unbalanced PS1 cans). if not, I think I'll be writing a review soon (at least I've been meaning too... can't get in the mood to do one for some reason) and that will definitely be part of it.
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 6:25 AM Post #5 of 28
Brilliant review, Jason. So well thought out, so well written, and with such great comparisons and use of language to make the reader feel as though he is right there listening with you. No doubt this review will soon be bumped 'upstairs' to the full featured review section. No need to cast votes on this one!

What I enjoyed most was that you wrote about your conclusions rather than the process that you went through to arrive at them (i.e., no direct listening notes such as the typical "At the 3:20 mark on track 4 of Diana Krall's such and such disc, I liked the way the 's' rolled off of her tongue).

My reference point is similar to yours in that I also use a Shanling player and have done quite a bit of listening to the PS-1's relative to the HP-2's. I must say that your overall assessment of their relative strengths and weaknesses is almost 100% consistent with mine. There seems to be fairly widespread agreement that the HP-1000 series cans are one (if not THE) most 'neutral' set of dynamic cans ever made, and I think your 'liquidy' label for the PS-1's is also quite apt. This is a good way to descriibe it. They are non fatiguing and alluring in that they pull you into the music so effortlessly. I agree too that the PS-1 bass is so good both in quantity and qualiity (i.e., deep, extended, textured, layered, etc., etc., all the "good" things about bass that we are loooking for) that this can almost become overwhelming to the point that this strength of their signature can become a weakness - but, for me at least, it never does become a weakness because this gorgeous bass does not take anything away from the lush midrange and crystal clear highs. This would be tantamount to saying that a woman's perfect face takes away from her amazing body - it just doens't work that way (for me at least)! Sorry for the bad analogy - you can substitute in actual body parts in this analogy if you would like, but I'd never do that!
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I digress. The PS-1's are just plain fun to listen to (that WOW factor you described) and this is somewhat missing with the HP-2's (although they make beautiful music, they don't get me as excited - the HP-2's are Mary Ann, the PS-1's are Ginger, and I've always been a Ginger fan). Ok, no more bad analogies.

I also liked your comparisons to the R10 and RS-1 to help flush out your overall perspective of where the PS-1's fall in the food chain. It may take a while for me to fully understand how (or why) what you regard as a superior 'liquidness' of the PS-1's may give them a slight nod over the R10's superior 'details' but your opinion is quite clear and well articulated. I'd hate to throw a wrench into such a wonderful review, but there is definitely (in my experience as well as that of many others) something to be said about the R10's sensitivity to amping. I'm not sure if this has played a role in your R10 impressions, but it would be interesting to see what your impressions would be of the R10 relative to the PS-1 on say, the Single Power Maestro ZR. Again, I don't mean for this to be a side track since the R10 comparison was a minor aspect of your reviiew, but it is an issue to consider. IMO, the PS-1's are MUCH less sensitive to how they are amped.

Well done. Thanks!
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 6:51 AM Post #6 of 28
Thanks for the compliments guys.

Wayne, what I meant regarding the R10's vs. the PS-1's in terms of liquidity is that that the R10's don't have that (at least when I heard them) overall flow throughout the spectrum like the PS-1's do. Just putting them on my head and turning them on straight out of the box I noticed this liquid sound. It is what struck me the most about them. Having heard the R10's I can say they just didn't do that for me. They have sparkle, a midrange to die for, superb cymbals (which is so very hard to do and what I was in a way getting at with the palpable impact) etc. But for that liquid sound, its the PS-1's for me.

I will admit to not having the best of the bunch for amps when I had the R10's in my posession: Sugden Headmaster, Shanling output, RA-1. But then I wouldn't say the Headmaster is an atrocious amp and I doubt it would subtract that liquid sound from them. I will admit to the weak bass I heard being attributed mainly to the Sugden. Perhaps if I ever get a chance to have the R10's in my possession again I can listen again on my melos this time.

Although I really enjoy the HP-1's and am very accustomed to their sound and have built my Melos up and over the top for them, the drawing in is no where close to either the RS-1's or PS-1's. HP-1's is a "growing on me phone." PS-1's are a "taking no prisonsers" kinda phone. Once it has you, its GOT you.

The bass was definitely fixed up by tube rolling, but for the folks who don't have this luxury then this phone may have too much bass if they have similar tastes to me. AT least if they have SS amps. though again, the RA-1 was really nice, perhaps because it is on the weak side for bass compared to the "big boys."

As for sensitivity to amps? Yes, I think all current Grados do well even from a portable. I should have mentioned this in my review. When my Shanling was in for the modifications I used an RA-1 and a my portable panasonic. The sound was still so good! Just like with RS-1's. True the Grados needs lots of current to get it right, they can be more forgiving up underpowering and low grade source than other phones, like the HP-1's
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Jun 28, 2004 at 9:26 AM Post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by Zanth
Wayne, what I meant regarding the R10's vs. the PS-1's in terms of liquidity is that that the R10's don't have that (at least when I heard them) overall flow throughout the spectrum like the PS-1's do. Just putting them on my head and turning them on straight out of the box I noticed this liquid sound. It is what struck me the most about them. Having heard the R10's I can say they just didn't do that for me. They have sparkle, a midrange to die for, superb cymbals (which is so very hard to do and what I was in a way getting at with the palpable impact) etc. But for that liquid sound, its the PS-1's for me.


Right out of the box I listened to "Madonna - Don't Cry For Me Argentina" and her voice was sooooooo amazing ("liquid"). I know how you feel. I also have the same opinion about R10. Amazing midrange but something was missing. May be it could be fixed by a Maestro ZR, but it'll be at least 6k $. So PS-1 isn't far in midrange, excels in smoothness and costs much less then R10 system.

Great review BTW
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It describes very nice the nature of this headphone.
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 11:13 AM Post #9 of 28
an excellent review zanth!

perhaps it would have been more helpful though to us mere mortals if you had compared the ps-1 to other prestige series grados. it would have been interesting to see how the sr325/ms-2 would stack up to the ps-1.
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Jun 28, 2004 at 12:01 PM Post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by Jorg
I listened to "Madonna - Don't Cry For Me Argentina" and her voice was sooooooo amazing ("liquid").


A headphone that makes a [non-]voice like Madonna's sound "sooooo amazing" must be excellent!
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P.S.: We need a PS-1 smilie; I refuse to use the RS-1 version!
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 12:50 PM Post #11 of 28
Excellent review Jason, a very easy yet informative read.


I just wanna know where you found the time.
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Jun 28, 2004 at 1:07 PM Post #12 of 28
I heard both the HP1000s and the PS-1s out of my gear at the NYC meet and both of them simply slaughtered the R10 out of my solid state amp. OTOH, the R10s slaughtered the these two even more dramatically when powered out of my tube amp. I think that the Grados in general are a great match to SS amps (RA-1) being a good case in point while the R10 is more of a tube headphone. As far as the HP1000s is concerned, based on remote memory I would have to agree with Zanth that they outperformed both the PS-1s that we tried in my gear. This is not just my impressions but the impressions of everyone who tried these cans on my gear. The R10s are a very bad idea, IMHO, if you plan to use them with a digital amplifier. The HP1000s are the natural mate of such a beast.
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 3:33 PM Post #13 of 28
Thanks for the review Zanth. It sounds like the ps-1 sucks and I certainly would never want one.
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Biggie.
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 4:33 PM Post #14 of 28
Nah Biggie, you wouldn't want a pair at all
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adhoc, I didn't have any Alessandros on hand nor the 325's, though a fellow Head-fier does have a pair and he will be coming by at some point to see me soon, so perhaps he can bring them along and I can do a follow up. Though I have to admit, the 325's are just so forward that I can't listen to them for long periods of time. I could do better comparing with 225's. That said, I did have some SR60's on hand, but that would have just been plain mean to the SR60's. Those little guys are wonderful phones for the price but when comparing to the big boys, it just can't keep up. At least not when they are all well amped. I did write a bit about the comparison between the SR60's and the RS-1's and HP-1000's in my previous review and you could extrapolate the results by comparing the two reviews.
 
Jun 28, 2004 at 4:35 PM Post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by Sugano-san
A headphone that makes a [non-]voice like Madonna's sound "sooooo amazing" must be excellent!
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P.S.: We need a PS-1 smilie; I refuse to use the RS-1 version!



Of course I wasn't impressed by her voice. I was wowed by it's naturality
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Sure we need a PS-1 smile!
 

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