Getting into Audiophilia

Apr 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM Post #16 of 23
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I don't mind getting vinyl though, i suppose the best places for that is online any links on good pages for retail vinyl will be helpful ill go check those out as well, also umm i don't think we have an audiogon in Oz.


I'm in the UK but I imagine there must be 2nd hand record stores in a big city like Sydney and I know Australia has a thriving party scene
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Also thrift shops are a good place to look as they usually have loads of decent records especially if you can find one in an area near record distributors and labels as that will be where they'll dump the stuff they don't want.
So much dance music is pressed on vinyl that you're bound to find stuff you'll like 2nd hand. For rarer more sought after things you will probably have to shell out on gemm.com or ebay.

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would it be a good idea to use the Technics for just enjoying music as well as dj'ing, or should i have a dedicated system just for my own music? and a separate turntable for dj'ing?, remember the setup is mostly for listening to music at high quality the recording is only a side thing as a hobby not really a professional or anything just yet lol.


The Technics is a great value starter turntable for anyone into records DJ or otherwise. If you want to try your hand at scatching though you'll need to have a few different carts as Hi-Fi ones won't be suitable. Stick with the standard Technics arm to begin with and get a cheap DJ stylus like a Shure or Stanton for scratching and a Denon DL110 or 160 for listening. You can mount them on different headshells to make this easier. Stanton make a decent magensium headshell which you'll find in any DJ store.

If you want a pair of Technics to try mixing you should be able to get a deal on them. If you're just getting one to start with you'll need a dedicated pre-amp. Cambridge Audio or Nad make good ones. Otherwise if you opt for a pair of turntables then you'll want a mixer which will have the pre-amps built in.
It's worth spending a decent amount on a mixer as cheaper ones will skimp on audiophile quality parts. Look for something as simple as possible with no onboard sampler or anything like that. Urei, Soundcraft, Allen and Heath and Technics themselves make good ones.

You should be able to get a good quality turntable set up like this for 1500USD or thereabouts.

As far as speakers go studio monitors are actually excellent for listening to electronic music. I would recommend Genelec or PMC but these will probably cost an arm and a leg down under so you should probably check out brands like Yamaha which don't have so far to go or whatever they use locally.

The most important thing with speakers is to get some which suit your space so if this is large you'll need something pretty powerful. An average sized (UK) room about 15ft square will be fine with active nearfield monitors but anything bigger you may be better off price wise with some conventional passive floorstanding speakers and power amp. Yamaha Soavos are nice and Rotel make some pretty beefy poweramps for reasonable money.

You are best off going to some DJ / Music shops and Hi-Fi dealers to audition speakers to see what you like.

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MSI K8N Diamond Motherboard with on board audio "Creative Sound Blaster live! 24-bit audio capable of 24bit/96KHz, 100db SNR with a digital output its got 2 S/P outputs ones square (TOSLINK i think?) and the other looks like a RCA plug...i think thats what u call coaxial?(unsure)..etc" how does this compare with the M-Audio Sound cards? will it make a significant difference? oh and its connected to some Logitech X-530z at the moment (pretty crappy compared to the stuff u guys have)


Good DAC's are pretty cheap these days. There are loads Hong Kong based ebay sellers with really good quality Dacs for a few hundred dollars. Unless you want to record onto the computer, which is what an M-Audio will allow, then plugging your soundblaster into one of these or bypassing it altogether via USB and then going straight into a mixer will be fine.
Or else if you opt for a single turntable set up then get a cheap passive pre-amp like the new Pro-Ject one is perfect for this kind of set up.
 
Apr 27, 2008 at 3:00 AM Post #17 of 23
thanks memepool! for the great advice, do u think i should start off with just one turntable? as im still in the prelim stage of the whole setup and if i get a decent collection i would consider getting a better quality turntable to enjoy my music. would that be better in the longer run? i say this since u mentioned that it was a good starter turntable, so is it better to upgrade turntables as u go or better to just get a good one from the start?
 
Apr 27, 2008 at 12:38 PM Post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by zantetsuken /img/forum/go_quote.gif
do u think i should start off with just one turntable? as im still in the prelim stage of the whole setup and if i get a decent collection i would consider getting a better quality turntable to enjoy my music. would that be better in the longer run? i say this since u mentioned that it was a good starter turntable, so is it better to upgrade turntables as u go or better to just get a good one from the start?


I would say it's best to get something with an upgrade path and this is one of the main strengths of the Technics SL1200 over budget audiophile decks like the Rega / Pro-Ject. The biggest upgrade is to the tonearm and this can be done gradually with the likes of Origin Live if you check the links above. You can easily spend thousands of USD on upgrading before you exhaust the potential of the SL1200.

Whether to buy one or two turntables is really upto you and depends on how much you fancy a go at DJ'ing which most people into electronic music or hip hop generally do. Maybe if you want to save money initially then just buy one deck and see how you go with it. They keep their value as well so if you decide it's not for you then you won't loose money selling it unlike a high end CD player for instance.
 
Apr 28, 2008 at 9:22 AM Post #19 of 23
i was looking at the technics it seems there are several versions of this turntable, i was thinking about the mk2 version, any particular recommendations?
 
Apr 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM Post #20 of 23
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i was thinking about the mk2 version, any particular recommendations?


Yes the MkII is the one to go for. The Mk5 has better arm wiring but also has lots of extraneous DJ orientated functions which you don't really need even as a DJ so better to go for the classic Mk2 version and keep things simple. 1210Mk2 is the same deck only black in case you prefer this.
 
Apr 29, 2008 at 11:23 AM Post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yes the MkII is the one to go for. The Mk5 has better arm wiring but also has lots of extraneous DJ orientated functions which you don't really need even as a DJ so better to go for the classic Mk2 version and keep things simple. 1210Mk2 is the same deck only black in case you prefer this.


seeing that i have little experience in vinyl altogether and im still very young so ive never actually had anybody whos had a record, are records very hard to keep clean and maintained?, or are they good as long as u cover them and store them nicely?, or do u have to wipe em or something every week or something lol.
 
Apr 29, 2008 at 1:00 PM Post #22 of 23
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are records very hard to keep clean and maintained?, or are they good as long as u cover them and store them nicely?l


With new ones usually all you need to do is give them a quick brush with something like this
GOLDRING SUPER EXSTATIC BRUSH SUPER EXSTATIC DUST BRUSH £12.95 at hifix.co.uk

Half the fun of records though is finding cool stuff in bargain bins and since these have usually been well loved then a vacuum cleaning machine is the best way to clean them off. You can pay a lot for these but Kabusa make a great cut price version of the Nitty Gritty ones KAB EV-1 RECORD CLEANER AT KABUSA.COM which you just plug into a standard vacuum cleaner tube.

This will also extend the life of the stylus (also often called a needle) so you don't need to replace it so often which saves money. You should always store them standing up and buying padded inner sleeves will keep them in better condition.

Generally as with a cd you shouldn't touch the playing surface on a record so DJ's will usually buy multiple copies of the same one to have a pristine copy for listening to and another one or two to scratch with. You can manipulate records on the deck in straight forward mixing without touching the grooves but if you are into hip hop or turntablist styles of scratching then you really want that tactile hands on feel of the vinyl. Back in the day some DJ's used to wear white cotton gloves when scratching
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May 3, 2008 at 6:08 AM Post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif
With new ones usually all you need to do is give them a quick brush with something like this
GOLDRING SUPER EXSTATIC BRUSH SUPER EXSTATIC DUST BRUSH £12.95 at hifix.co.uk

Half the fun of records though is finding cool stuff in bargain bins and since these have usually been well loved then a vacuum cleaning machine is the best way to clean them off. You can pay a lot for these but Kabusa make a great cut price version of the Nitty Gritty ones KAB EV-1 RECORD CLEANER AT KABUSA.COM which you just plug into a standard vacuum cleaner tube.

This will also extend the life of the stylus (also often called a needle) so you don't need to replace it so often which saves money. You should always store them standing up and buying padded inner sleeves will keep them in better condition.

Generally as with a cd you shouldn't touch the playing surface on a record so DJ's will usually buy multiple copies of the same one to have a pristine copy for listening to and another one or two to scratch with. You can manipulate records on the deck in straight forward mixing without touching the grooves but if you are into hip hop or turntablist styles of scratching then you really want that tactile hands on feel of the vinyl. Back in the day some DJ's used to wear white cotton gloves when scratching
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Thanks memepool great info!
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found ur help very helpful thanks
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, i was also on the market for a pair of nice headphones what would be the way to go to complete the set? i can probably put a budget on those at around 1500 ish but its hard to get a trial of expensive popular brands like that here. Judging from my music type what wud proly be the best way to go?, something with a deep bass not too overpowering with a warm sound. i dont mind electrostatic or open ended either whichever works best.
 

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